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Re: Launch HN: OurWorldInData (YC W19 Nonprofit) – Data on World’s Largest Problems

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"Facts can be a powerful weapon against fear, a gloomy worldview, learned helplessness". This is so true. However I also notice a frequent and not so helpful use of such data, namely as a way of countering people's legitimate complains about their current state. It is especially concerning when the positive trends are touted as consequences of certain public policies, even when the correlation is questionable. There…

You're absolutely correct that we need to be very careful to ensure bias does not creep into our work.

We take a lot of time to ensure that our work is as objective as possible. Our core activity is to present the data on a given topic clearly. Where possible we try to provide a summary of what the academic research says on this topic: why a given change might have happened, why it happened in a certain way, if we know anything about direct causations. However, causation is particularly difficult: especially when there are so many dimensions interacting (e.g. poverty impacts on fertility, child mortality, education, health outcomes, and their knock-on or cyclical impacts) and a range of interacting external factors (policy decisions, trade liberalisation etc.). Unless there is solid research to support an explanation of change, we don't include it, and stick what has changed rather than why.

Maintaining a very objective, somewhat central position is important for our work. We're happy that both people on the right and left use and trust our work: if we can at least first agree on the facts and data, then we are all in a better position to then discuss why given changes have happened. Media Bias Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/our-world-in-data/) puts us very slightly to the left, but we're very happy that 80% of the user responses rate us 'least biased' i.e. straight down the middle.

In terms of dismissing legitimate concerns about the current state: we think it's really important that acknowledging progress in many areas does not translate into an acceptance of the current state of the world. As we write here (https://ourworldindata.org/much-better-awful-can-be-better) although we have seen improvements in many ways, the state of the world is still unacceptable. And in some cases, things are sliding backwards (e.g. https://ourworldindata.org/homelessness-rise-england). We need to do much more. We hope that in providing a historical outlook on how things have changed provides insights and understanding of how we make the world a better place moving forward.

Re: Launch HN: OurWorldInData (YC W19 Nonprofit) – Data on World’s Largest Problems

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post #6

One possible improvement is to provide a way for the community at large to discuss/criticize possible problems with the data as well as for Our World in Data to respond to criticisms from the public. Recently, Bill Gates issued a Tweet demonstrating excitement for progress in diminishing global poverty, citing Our World in Data: https://twitter.com/BillGates/status/1086662632587907072 This received substantial push b…

A community discussion forum to discuss research would be great. I'd be interested in hearing what you would suggest? We have discussed whether something like StackOverflow, but for global development, would be possible. I think we are too small for it though. If we'd build a platform we'd need a big group of engaged contributors and we don't think we are big enough for that yet.

I read the newspaper article and have been in a lot of contact with the author, we agree on many points, especially that higher poverty lines are needed to track what is happening and that it is surely not enough to look at extreme poverty. But low poverty lines are needed so that we see what is happening to world's poorest. One of the biggest failures of development over the last decades is that incomes of the very poorest on the planet have not risen: https://voxeu.org/article/assessing-progress-poorest-new-evi... This is not widely known because the extreme poverty line is not low enough to focus on what happens to the very poorest. So overall I think it is very important that we keep track of what happens relative to different poverty lines (and we do https://ourworldindata.org/poverty-at-higher-poverty-lines) On the particular point you emphasize, that historians have a poor understanding of poverty and prosperity in the past I do not agree that it is a 'reckless extrapolation of sketchy sources'. I think this is overstating the existing uncertainties and it's not a fair description of the careful and tedious work that historians do. And we did respond to it here https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-history-methods and go in some detail of this historical work. We understand our job as providing access to good, existing research and so our job is to understand the research that is out there and bring it together on the web to make it possible for everyone to understand it, and access it. A very thorough book on what we know about poverty, including the historical decline of the share living on less than an extremely low poverty threshold, is Martin Ravallion's 'The Economics of Poverty: History, Measurement, and Policy'. Let me know what you think!

Re: Launch HN: OurWorldInData (YC W19 Nonprofit) – Data on World’s Largest Problems

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I stumbled upon your website a couple of days ago and found its content extremely useful. The language is precise, opinions balanced and use of data is sensible. It feels like you have no agenda other than bringing some objectivity to the discussions. I hope your journey into the startup world won't change it. Good luck!

Re: Launch HN: OurWorldInData (YC W19 Nonprofit) – Data on World’s Largest Problems

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> We would really appreciate any feedback you have on what we can do better. Thank you! What can we do to help you?

Any really honest feedback on the usability of our website would be the best thing for us. We have lots of content - spanning everything from population growth to plastic pollution, income inequality to cancer rates. This is of course a key part of our work. But this could make it difficult for people to find what they're looking for. Do you manage to find it easy to navigate? Is there anything you would recommend we…

I think the navigation bar is very busy. It shows up over multiple lines, with different sized and shaded buttons. On mobile/tablet, it takes multiple screen lengths. It seems overwhelming and unfocused.

Perhaps because the navigation is overwhelming, you decided to duplicate your dropdown menu for most of the landing page.

I'm not sure why there is such an emphasis on your media coverage and authors at the top of the landing page. Usually that is a tactic to build social proof for customers feel comfortable buying from a new/unknown startup, but as far as I can tell you're not trying to make a sale.

It took me several clicks to get to an article with an interactive graph -- the cool part. More than just the data, you had good writing in catchy, accessible prose.

My suggestions would be

1) to highlight one cool / recent article+graph at the top of the landing page.

2) Simplify your topic organization; you have 16 different high-level topics, with further subtopics. That relegates you to an unwieldy dropdown. I realize you may be using the SDGs, but I'd prefer 5-6 MECE categories like Environment, Health, Economic Development... into which you can organize SDGs. If you had fewer categories you could fit navigation tabs or make use of UI techniques.

3) Overall, decide on what flow you want from the user and design around it. You have a newsletter, donation, even another web domain for SDG tracking. Who are your primary constituents, and what are you trying to help them accomplish? Is it to delight and educate laypersons, maximize small-dollar donations, highlight the academic rigor of the authors' analysis...?

As a reader, I would come back to the site often if it focused on showing me all the coolest data analysis. I might even browse there instead of Hacker News.

Right now, though, it seems closer in my mind to the World Bank's Open Data website, which has an overwhelming amount of great open data, which I would only visit if I were looking to access a raw dataset.

If lay readership is your primary goal, I would suggest looking for design inspiration from media publications like https://fivethirtyeight.com/ or https://www.newyorker.com/ . Even xkcd.com, which has dated design language, achieves the UX of putting the catchy content up front, and providing navigation for people who want more, rather than the other way around.

Re: Launch HN: OurWorldInData (YC W19 Nonprofit) – Data on World’s Largest Problems

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post #13

I thought that this was what https://www.gapminder.org/ was for, ever since 2005? And yet you don’t mention them?

The work of Gapminder, and Hans Rosling in particular, was a major motivation for the work we do.

In fact, Max worked a lot with Hans Rosling in the past: in this BBC documentary on ending global poverty, for example (https://www.gapminder.org/videos/dont-panic-end-poverty/). You can find him listed as collaborator in the sources (https://www.gapminder.org/news/data-sources-dont-panic-end-p...).

As you say, Gapminder is one organization that takes data from published datasets and communicates it to a larger audience. The Gapminder foundation therefore has a similar mission – promoting fact-based world views, informing people about long-term changes in living standards. But Gapminder is not broadly focussed on global change – it does not cover violence, war, poverty, education, environmental change, etc. – and instead more narrowly focuses on health and demography. The areas of my own personal work: environment, food, and energy, for example, are not extensively covered there.

In fact, for those topics that lie outside of its focus, they often rely on us as input (you can find us referenced throughout their book 'Factfulness' for example). And similarly for us: for long-run trends on aspects such as child mortality or fertility rate, we reference their datasets (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/child-mortality).

So our mission is very similar and we continue to collaborate, but our approach slightly different. Gapminder is narrower in focus and tries to capture a much more general audience. We go for more breadth and depth, and target a less wide (but still large) general audience.

Re: Launch HN: OurWorldInData (YC W19 Nonprofit) – Data on World’s Largest Problems

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any really honest feedback on the usability of our website would be the best thing for us. We have lots of content - spanning everything from population growth to plastic pollution, income inequality to cancer rates. This is of course a key part of our work. But this could make it difficult for people to find what they're looking for. Do you manage to find it easy to navigate? Is there anything you would recommend we…

You might find some of the usability testing services useful also There's a list of some here: http://www.usefulusability.com/usertesting-alternatives/ and here https://www.producthunt.com/alternatives/usertesting-2 They give you videos with people's out loud thoughts about for example trying to accomplish specific goals with your sites, which should be really useful. And for a more guerrilla approach you might find…

Great recommendations. Thanks for the tips. We've found it really useful recently to sit next to someone in person and ask them to navigate. It reveals a lot of unexpected outcomes just by watching them use the site.

But of course, in-person testing can be tricky to scale so an online service is exactly what we're looking for. We'll check them out!

Re: Launch HN: OurWorldInData (YC W19 Nonprofit) – Data on World’s Largest Problems

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It would be cool to have the data in a virtual cacheable JS database that can run SQL queries. Eg something that you could just include in a script tag. And also run locally. To allow anyone to easily create and share cool interactive graphs.

Re: Launch HN: OurWorldInData (YC W19 Nonprofit) – Data on World’s Largest Problems

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This is great! Nice job balancing data with explanations. Health data is often oversimplified or not understandable by lay people.

For the cancer section, I'm pretty sure you're showing net survival rates. You should mention this to avoid people from thinking they're actual survival rates.

In the last two charts on the cancer page, what does the circle size show? Total GDP? Patient count?

Re: Launch HN: OurWorldInData (YC W19 Nonprofit) – Data on World’s Largest Problems

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post #6

One possible improvement is to provide a way for the community at large to discuss/criticize possible problems with the data as well as for Our World in Data to respond to criticisms from the public. Recently, Bill Gates issued a Tweet demonstrating excitement for progress in diminishing global poverty, citing Our World in Data: https://twitter.com/BillGates/status/1086662632587907072 This received substantial push b…

A community discussion forum to discuss research would be great. I'd be interested in hearing what you would suggest? We have discussed whether something like StackOverflow, but for global development, would be possible. I think we are too small for it though. If we'd build a platform we'd need a big group of engaged contributors and we don't think we are big enough for that yet. I read the newspaper article and have…

The Hickel article in the Guardian is awful.

You give too much credit. Jason Hickel just wants attention for himself. Nothing else.

He does not care about the steps the world's poorest have made. Yes, it's small steps, but it's important and it's awful to spread misinformation like he does.

Keep up the balanced work in the way you do it. I think this one is very fair: https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-history-methods

(Also, he knows. For The Guardian he wrote the headline 'Bill Gates says poverty is decreasing. He couldn’t be more wrong' and then elsewhere Hickel himself is saying the opposite. He is contradicting himself: https://www.cgdev.org/blog/12-things-we-can-agree-about-glob...)

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