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How I Incorporated My Startup

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Re: How I Incorporated My Startup

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This a great, succinct guide - glad to see it. One very important step five to add: check with your state's Secretary of State office to see if there are any additional steps that must be taken. Many states require foreign-registered LLCs and corporations to submit an "application for authority to transact" or otherwise register with them. Depending on where you're located, a local business registration fee or licens…

check with your state's Secretary of State office to see if there are any additional steps that must be taken. Many states require foreign-registered LLCs and corporations to submit an "application for authority to transact" or otherwise register with them.

Definitely important to check on the rules specific to your state.

In addition to just acquiring permission to operate, there are sometimes tax specific requirements too. For example, in New York there is a separate, state-level S-corporation election. Even if you are already a federal S-corp you need to submit to the state in order to be treated as an S-corp on your state taxes.

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I'm going to take the opposite view and suggest that this is not a good idea. While I whole-heartedly endorse bootstrapping when you can, there is a huge risk to not having a professional look at your incorporating documents, especially when there are multiple co-founders involved. That's why this is the first thing incubators like YC and AlphaLab require. Many attorneys (if you ask) will do incorporation for a flat fee (ours was $2500).

Specifically our attorney helped us with the following issues:

- What is the structure of the shareholder agreement?

- What happens if a co-founder leaves?

- Filling out the 83(b) Election Form (so that you pay capital gains taxes on the shares you're about to be issued now rather than later)

- Mutual confidentiality agreement amongst co-founders

- Proprietary rights agreement

Believe me, I know what it's like to be a starving startup. Any cash outlay is terrifying. But you must be able to separate fear from the decision making process. $2500 is not a lot of money. And if you can't bring yourself to pay that much for something as important as an attorney, are you really starting a business? Or is it just a side project that you hope will become a business? There is a serious difference.

One last thought. We (http://www.shoefitr.com) didn't incorporate until we quit our "real" jobs to go full time. This gave us time to mitigate some technology risk and get comfortable working with each other before shelling out $2500. I think that's ok too. But if you're at the full-time stage of things, consult a professional.

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post #3

Good post, getting incorporated (or making an LLC) really IS that easy, and I've not seen anyone outline the process so succinctly before. One comment: You don't NEED to incorporate in delaware, unless you have specific liability reasons for doing so. Incorporating in your own state is usually cheaper and easier, so unless you have specific protection you want that only a delaware corporation corporation can provide…

Different states have different tax rates.

Delaware wouldn't be my choice though.

Nevada, Washington, and Wyoming do not have state corporate income taxes.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/230.html

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/corp_inc.pdf

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I would also recommend incorporating in your home state. I incorporated in Minnesota and it was ridiculously easy, simplest government form I've ever seen.

However if you're going to be seeking VC then it probably makes sense to incorporate in Delaware. However if you're like me and bootstrapping it, there is no need to go with a Delaware Corp.

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post #9

Nice post. A lot of people get this wrong, but the right word where you used 'stocks' is 'shares'. You own shares in a company, not stocks—when you hear people talk about "their stocks" they're talking about their shareholdings in multiple companies.

Interesting, didn't know this! I edited the original post, thanks.

You're welcome. Great idea by the way. I could see myself using it after watching your intro video.

Re: How I Incorporated My Startup

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This is a nice do-it-yourself guide to how to file a certificate of incorporation in Delaware.

A few observations from the dark side (I am a business lawyer):

1. Filing the certificate is only the first of several steps you need to take to complete an incorporation (you also need to set up its management structure, capitalize it, enter into any shareholder agreements as are appropriate, adopt bylaws, and comply with securities laws, among other things, or else your corporation is only half-baked).

2. Even if you complete an incorporation, you still need to do this in a distinctive way for a startup as opposed to what you would do if you were incorporating a typical small business - meaning, the process leaves the founders vulnerable to a fair number of legal risks unless they take pains to put strings on the stock issuances in case someone bolts without earning his piece, to assign IP rights into the company to make sure no individual founder later claims such rights as his own, to enter into work-for-hire arrangements to make sure that the rights to any continuing work done on the company's technology will belong to the company and not to any individual founder, etc. (summarized in more detail here: http://grellas.com/faq_business_startup_001.html).

3. There are also issues about which entity might be best for your situation (corporation or LLC) and which state (Delaware or other).

I don't want to be misunderstood here. I have never discouraged clients from taking any self-help steps they see as helpful to them and I will refer them to resources that help them in this. And often an initial bare-bones corporate or LLC setup makes infinitely more sense for founders than does anything more elaborate and more expensive.

But such steps must always be understood for what they are. If you have an inexpensive method for filing a Delaware certificate of incorporation at the hand, that is helpful and broadens your options as a founder in getting your entity technically formed on the cheap. Just don't forget that it is at that stage only an incomplete formation. Just as lighting the stove in only step one in cooking your dish, so filing the charter document does not really make you "incorporated" until you have done the rest of it as well. Nor does it necessarily mean that you have made your entity choice in the right way.

Forgive me if this sounds like self-promotion (I have assiduously tried to avoid this in my HN comments) but it does pay normally to at least meet with a skilled attorney to get some strategic advice on how to do your setup. The cost of doing an initial meeting is usually nominal and will at least let you make the choices you do make with open eyes on what the trade-offs are. It is commendable to conserve cash. It is not commendable to do so in a way that leaves you potentially flying blind on important choices affecting your startup.

Re: How I Incorporated My Startup

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I'm going to take the opposite view and suggest that this is not a good idea. While I whole-heartedly endorse bootstrapping when you can, there is a huge risk to not having a professional look at your incorporating documents, especially when there are multiple co-founders involved. That's why this is the first thing incubators like YC and AlphaLab require. Many attorneys (if you ask) will do incorporation for a flat…

However, if your startup depends on having a merchant account, you need to incorporate before you can get the merchant account correct?

I would really like to put off incorporating but I need a merchant account so I can bill people based on their usage.

Also even PayPal let me bill people based on usage, I hear horror stories about pay pal every day.

Re: How I Incorporated My Startup

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post #17

This is a nice do-it-yourself guide to how to file a certificate of incorporation in Delaware. A few observations from the dark side (I am a business lawyer): 1. Filing the certificate is only the first of several steps you need to take to complete an incorporation (you also need to set up its management structure, capitalize it, enter into any shareholder agreements as are appropriate, adopt bylaws, and comply with…

It feels like he's got the minimum number of steps required to invoice a Fortune 500 company, to get a 7-figure insurance policy, and to deliver buggy code to that company without worrying about losing his house in a subsequent lawsuit.

Is there any advantage to waiting to get to that step until after speaking to an attorney, or should people just go ahead and at least get minimally covered?

Might it depend on whether equity distribution is a major concern (you want your company to survive the first dispute among its principals) versus actually transacting business?

Re: How I Incorporated My Startup

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post #17

This is a nice do-it-yourself guide to how to file a certificate of incorporation in Delaware. A few observations from the dark side (I am a business lawyer): 1. Filing the certificate is only the first of several steps you need to take to complete an incorporation (you also need to set up its management structure, capitalize it, enter into any shareholder agreements as are appropriate, adopt bylaws, and comply with…

This is why I hired an accountant to do this for me. I just don't have the time to research all the gotcha's for incorporating, and I didn't want to risk making a mistake if my research isn't 100%. It costs a little more but it's worth it for the peace of mind and reduced hassle and paperwork.
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