Is there a good European cloud provider?
exoscale.com is based in Switzerland, and offers zones in several European jurisdictions as well.
Disclaimer: I work for exoscale.
U.S. Cloud Act is raising concern about extraterritoriality
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#22Is there a good European cloud provider?
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#23Is there a good European cloud provider?
There’s https://upcloud.com/ from Finland. They offer basic virtual machines at OK prices with some pretty fast disks.
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Banking data is at least considered to be "important" enough to keep within the borders too, but privacy is important too in regards to GDPR. How do you prevent unauthorized access to the data (i.e. the US government) with the cloud act. Do you report those requests as a breech? There is really no difference between that and having the servers hacked in other ways.
Banking data is important because the police and tax authority wants to make sure they have access, privacy doesn't really come into play here. It's a nice side effect, though. It's the same with accounting data. When it comes to GDPR it only talks about where and by who data is processed, it doens't really put any restriction on storage, except for some pretty vague (on purpose) requirements about data protection (r…
But if the US government access PII without authorization via the cloud act wouldn't it count as a data breech when it comes to GDPR?
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That cloud thing is overhyped. The "Cloud" will never swallow the budget and mid-tier hosting industry for purely economic reasons. Uncle Liu hosting Co. and AWS are the same things underneath, running mainstream x86 hardware, and both buying from mid-tier OEM server assemblers. The days of people buying $10k Dell servers are gone, and ones ability to capitalise on undercutting major hosters by buying directly from O…
Cloud is not purely hosting, it's the services on top, the benefits of the company behind it. I don't know the statistics but probably bigger companies will pay a premium knowing that it's Amazon doing the hosting and not 10 different Uncle Lius.
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#26I think this CLOUD Act will basically force internationally operating US companies to split up into a US part and an EU part. This law makes it impossible for any company with access to personal data of EU citizens, to obey both US and EU law. The only solution seems to be to ensure that they are two different companies. The other option is to abandon the EU market.
What still surprises me is that nearly all of the major cloud companies are based in the US. Microsoft, Amazon, Netflix, Google, Apple, all of them US companies. If ever a law is going to create some EU competitors, it's the Cloud Act.
The other option is that either the US or the EU is going to water down their law. I'd be really sad if it's the EU, because that would legitimise and strengthen other countries' extraterritorial grasp over non-citizens' data. Like China with Huawei.
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Banking data is important because the police and tax authority wants to make sure they have access, privacy doesn't really come into play here. It's a nice side effect, though. It's the same with accounting data. When it comes to GDPR it only talks about where and by who data is processed, it doens't really put any restriction on storage, except for some pretty vague (on purpose) requirements about data protection (r…
But if the US government access PII without authorization via the cloud act wouldn't it count as a data breech when it comes to GDPR?
Then they should be getting encrypted or pseudoanonymised data, if you are following the regulations.
For services like AWS you can argue that they should be able to get ahold of these encryption keys, but most data protection authorities seems to think this is good enough.
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#29Is there a good European cloud provider?
Hetzner and OVH do cloud offerings, though they are more experienced in real hardware and shared hosting than actual cloud. The prices are competitive with AWS IMO.
For Hetzner: https://www.hetzner.com/cloud
What I like most about their service is the intuitive user interface and API. However, the downside is probably that they offer little more than virtual machines and storage. But for my projects, those things are completely sufficient and I am very happy with their service.
I worked with AWS too but always hated it, because it takes so long to learn how they are doing things. Not because I am unfamiliar with the concepts, but because they seem to do things unnecessarily complicate (UX wise). Sometimes I ended up using CLI tools for AWS because they were more accessible and haunted by fewer bugs than their GUI.