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U.S. Cloud Act is raising concern about extraterritoriality

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As of today we have cloud offerings of for instance azure completely separate from the US companies due to this.

Here in Norway we can get the complete azure offering from a company called Evry using azure stack [1] and there is a data centre like this in Germany too at least that I know of, probably many more.

And sectors like government and banking are required to use them and not the parent companies offerings, especially if it contains PII.

If this goes on I suspect a lot of the revenue US tech companies see today will disappear even if (for now) most run the licensed version of azure stack and the like.

[1] https://www.evry.com/en/what-we-do/key-services/evry-cloud-s...

Re: U.S. Cloud Act is raising concern about extraterritoriality

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As of today we have cloud offerings of for instance azure completely separate from the US companies due to this. Here in Norway we can get the complete azure offering from a company called Evry using azure stack [1] and there is a data centre like this in Germany too at least that I know of, probably many more. And sectors like government and banking are required to use them and not the parent companies offerings, es…

> We can now finally announce that, together with Dell EMC, and as one of the first companies in the world, successfully deployed a customer-ready, production version of Azure Stack.

If they're working with Dell EMC, an American company, then it's still the exact same issue.

Re: U.S. Cloud Act is raising concern about extraterritoriality

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I hope this bites US cloud service providers hard. They need a strong blowback against their cowardly support for the Cloud Act in the US.

Microsoft, for instance, was suing the US government over its abusive NSL-enabled secret data requests, which made up almost half of the data requests the gov was making to Microsoft.

But then Microsoft decided to drop the lawsuit and support the Cloud Act, which may have taken the actions of the US government from the shadows and into the light (somewhat), but it didn't really change the outcome of those actions. I imagine Microsoft and other cloud providers supported it because it gave them more legal cover. Well hopefully they'll live to regret that mistake with the EU blowback now.

I also think it's just a matter of time (a year?) until the Privacy Shield will be invalidated by the top EU court, and then a new much stricter agreement will have to be made that will make all but impossible data transfers to the US.

The EC is also to blame in this whole thing, because for some reason they decided to once again compromise with the US government on the type of EU-US data exchange deals they were making (which somehow always seem to go one way, from the EU to the US), because they gave the US gov the benefit of the doubt and thought the US gov would act in "good faith." Hopefully by now they've realized their error in thinking that.

Re: U.S. Cloud Act is raising concern about extraterritoriality

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As of today we have cloud offerings of for instance azure completely separate from the US companies due to this. Here in Norway we can get the complete azure offering from a company called Evry using azure stack [1] and there is a data centre like this in Germany too at least that I know of, probably many more. And sectors like government and banking are required to use them and not the parent companies offerings, es…

That cloud thing is overhyped. The "Cloud" will never swallow the budget and mid-tier hosting industry for purely economic reasons.

Uncle Liu hosting Co. and AWS are the same things underneath, running mainstream x86 hardware, and both buying from mid-tier OEM server assemblers.

The days of people buying $10k Dell servers are gone, and ones ability to capitalise on undercutting major hosters by buying directly from OEMs is gone too, because every large scale hosting co began doing the same.

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As of today we have cloud offerings of for instance azure completely separate from the US companies due to this. Here in Norway we can get the complete azure offering from a company called Evry using azure stack [1] and there is a data centre like this in Germany too at least that I know of, probably many more. And sectors like government and banking are required to use them and not the parent companies offerings, es…

> We can now finally announce that, together with Dell EMC, and as one of the first companies in the world, successfully deployed a customer-ready, production version of Azure Stack. If they're working with Dell EMC, an American company, then it's still the exact same issue.

One step at a time. Having physical control over data definitely is an improvement. Not everyone believes conspiracy theories about spy microchips in mainboards.

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As of today we have cloud offerings of for instance azure completely separate from the US companies due to this. Here in Norway we can get the complete azure offering from a company called Evry using azure stack [1] and there is a data centre like this in Germany too at least that I know of, probably many more. And sectors like government and banking are required to use them and not the parent companies offerings, es…

Outside of the government sector it seems like these laws are to make sure that the data is within legal jurisdiction, and has nothing to do with privacy.
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