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Is Matter Conscious? (2017)

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I could have been born at any time, in any place in the universe - or not at all, for that matter. Why do I get to experience the universe in a unique way? What gives rise to this?

Time exists in order that everything doesn’t happen all at once and space exists so that it doesn’t all happen to you.

Re: Is Matter Conscious? (2017)

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I could have been born at any time, in any place in the universe - or not at all, for that matter. Why do I get to experience the universe in a unique way? What gives rise to this?

Possible answers (but by no means comprehensive answers):

-If you weren’t, you wouldn’t be asking this question. The only version of reality in which you’re able to ponder it is one with you in it. This is a narrower version of the weak anthropic principle.

-There are a multitude of universes or regions of one universe with an infinitude of you asking this question without bound.

-God or the universe inevitably leads to it. This is a form of the strong anthropic principle.

-Only universes and times which allow such questions to be asked can allow for people like you to ponder it. For most of history in which humans were around you’d almost certainly lack the leisure and education to have these thoughts. (WAP again)

-Everything capable of making this observation does so wherever and whenever they exist in the universe, and there is nothing interesting about the question or answer because it’s arbitrary. Although it is difficult to appreciate from each of their perspectives, the question itself is as ubiquitous as those asking it.

Re: Is Matter Conscious? (2017)

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Not quite all the matter, but self replicating agents under the right circumstances (evolution) can be. Consciousness is fundamentally a function that preserves the agent in its environment. It's a combination of two optimisation processes - massive random search for its architecture, and learning. It's only purpose is to exist, thus it has to protect the needs of its body and make more of itself. If it doesn't take…

Not a good explanation. Why would a physically instantiated function feel like anything at all, rather than just a bunch of matter moving around? The question is about why the feelings themselves exist. "Functions" do not ever describe the feeling of the smell of chocolate or falling in love. That is the mystery. You have not remotely touched it.

Re: Is Matter Conscious? (2017)

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>Is matter conscious Not gonna read that. No. No, matter is not conscious. Go home nautil.us, you’re drunk.

Regardless of whether matter is conscious, could you please not post unsubstantive comments to Hacker News?

The substance of my post was that I find the question absurd on its face.

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Some matter is conscious. My fingernail is not, but it's a subset of the matter that equals me, and I am conscious (you'll just have to take my word); I am a subset of the matter that equals all matter, so it has to follow that the set of all matter is conscious, though subsets of it are not.

It's all a matter of where you draw the boundaries.

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post #21

I could have been born at any time, in any place in the universe - or not at all, for that matter. Why do I get to experience the universe in a unique way? What gives rise to this?

Time exists in order that everything doesn’t happen all at once and space exists so that it doesn’t all happen to you.

A consequence of time is that every event does not all happen at once. A consequence of space is that everything is not all in one place. Perhaps a consequence of spacetime is that events have a location and a moment, but no guarantee of order?

Re: Is Matter Conscious? (2017)

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Jürgen Schmidthuber (an AI researcher for those not familiar with the name) gave an interesting explanation what conciousness is in an AMA that he conducted in 2015 on Reddit. I just submitted that in an extra thread [0] because it seems worth discussing. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19241278

This is interesting, very interesting take, but it still doesn't explain where _other_ people's consciousness comes from. Through reductive reasoning, it doesn't explain why calculators and any matter shouldn't have consciousness.

Re: Is Matter Conscious? (2017)

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I could have been born at any time, in any place in the universe - or not at all, for that matter. Why do I get to experience the universe in a unique way? What gives rise to this?

What does this mean? What's the "I" that's somehow separate from your specific physical instantiation?

Unless you're getting into Cartesian dualism and souls, I'm genuinely confused.

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