I was brought up vegetarian, and while I gave it up when I got married and had kids, I've never really grown to love the taste of meat. The thing I'm most annoyed by is that nice tasting veggie dishes are often being replaced in restaurants with horrible tasting meat-substitute dishes trying to capture the taste of beef or whatever. This is probably just me against the universe though.
Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes
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Re: Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes
#82I'm looking forward to the cow/pig/sheep/chicken extinction event - no one will keep them around, except maybe in zoos, if the whole world is vegan. Edit: a downvote? this is totally serious - what are they going to be - released back into the wild where they roam free? There won't be any more, except as I said in zoos, if the whole world goes vegan
Why are you looking forward to them becoming extinct, though? What's the benefit to anyone of that? A vegan society could still keep sheep for example to keep grassland under control? Just a bit odd to look forward to an innocent species _being wiped off the face of the Earth_.
Chickens, cows and pigs are overbred to have more meat etc. some of those breeds can't walk properly anymore... They are far from what their early ancestors were...
Re: Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are you looking forward to them becoming extinct, though? What's the benefit to anyone of that? A vegan society could still keep sheep for example to keep grassland under control? Just a bit odd to look forward to an innocent species _being wiped off the face of the Earth_.
Chickens, cows and pigs are overbred to have more meat etc. some of those breeds can't walk properly anymore... They are far from what their early ancestors were...
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Re: Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes
#84I'm looking forward to the cow/pig/sheep/chicken extinction event - no one will keep them around, except maybe in zoos, if the whole world is vegan. Edit: a downvote? this is totally serious - what are they going to be - released back into the wild where they roam free? There won't be any more, except as I said in zoos, if the whole world goes vegan
We still need milk, eggs.
Milk and eggs are not vegan.
Re: Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes
#85One thing i’d genuinely like to see more of in the US is easy and sanely priced access to wild game. Deer populations being what they are, and populations of environmentally troublesome species such as feral boars being what they are, it seems like a net win. i would love to be able to get my hands on venison or boar that’s been processed in a USDA-approved way, because the meat’s high quality, the animals had lives…
The problem is that if it becomes profitable then the "wild" game will slowly transition into farming.
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Re: Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes
#86I'm looking forward to the cow/pig/sheep/chicken extinction event - no one will keep them around, except maybe in zoos, if the whole world is vegan. Edit: a downvote? this is totally serious - what are they going to be - released back into the wild where they roam free? There won't be any more, except as I said in zoos, if the whole world goes vegan
Why are you looking forward to them becoming extinct, though? What's the benefit to anyone of that? A vegan society could still keep sheep for example to keep grassland under control? Just a bit odd to look forward to an innocent species _being wiped off the face of the Earth_.
They were all modified through the generations to make them a commodity. If they have no purpose, them going extinct is not a bad thing. Most of them are optimized for meat or other purposes and they probably can't survive outside. It would be humane to let them go extinct after we transition. FWIW we already wiped them off the Earth, you don't find a lot of wild cows or chickens other than the ones we have modified.
Re: Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are you looking forward to them becoming extinct, though? What's the benefit to anyone of that? A vegan society could still keep sheep for example to keep grassland under control? Just a bit odd to look forward to an innocent species _being wiped off the face of the Earth_.
They were all modified through the generations to make them a commodity. If they have no purpose, them going extinct is not a bad thing. Most of them are optimized for meat or other purposes and they probably can't survive outside. It would be humane to let them go extinct after we transition. FWIW we already wiped them off the Earth, you don't find a lot of wild cows or chickens other than the ones we have modified.
> they probably can't survive outside
You should come and see the sheep roaming around the mountains near me.
They keep the grasslands under control, and they happily mind their own business. I don't think they need genocide.
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#88I'm looking forward to the cow/pig/sheep/chicken extinction event - no one will keep them around, except maybe in zoos, if the whole world is vegan. Edit: a downvote? this is totally serious - what are they going to be - released back into the wild where they roam free? There won't be any more, except as I said in zoos, if the whole world goes vegan
Chickens will probably stick around. A German company has discovered a way to determine a chick's gender while still in the egg. That will end the cruel practice of tossing male chicks into a grinder. And will allow cruelty free eggs to be produced. As long as the hens have space, comfortable quarters, and allowed to keep living in those conditions after they stop laying.
For those who are vegan for purely ethical reasons, this will allow them to have eggs.
Re: Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes
#89I live on and help operate a small family farm (230 head of grass fed cattle) and I don't think that meat substitutes will hurt our sales or margins, unless and until their quality results in a broad shift in societal attitudes that leads to meat itself becoming illegal.
I do absolutely think that it will reduce the demand for industrially farmed, feedlot-fed, commodity-priced meat, and this is a good thing.
Re: Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes
#90I'm looking forward to the cow/pig/sheep/chicken extinction event - no one will keep them around, except maybe in zoos, if the whole world is vegan. Edit: a downvote? this is totally serious - what are they going to be - released back into the wild where they roam free? There won't be any more, except as I said in zoos, if the whole world goes vegan
Why are you looking forward to them becoming extinct, though? What's the benefit to anyone of that? A vegan society could still keep sheep for example to keep grassland under control? Just a bit odd to look forward to an innocent species _being wiped off the face of the Earth_.
I was pointing out that the people who say we shouldn't eat meat haven't really thought it through. I would guess that this would be an unintended consequence of their actions and I've never heard it said - the only reason these animals exist is because we've bred them for food - if we don't eat them any more then they'll no longer exist.