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Ask HN: Why is there no activity indicator when an iPhone's camera is on?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is there no activity indicator when an iPhone's camera is on?

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I remember reading that the Japanese iOS makes a loud shutter noise when you take a picture that can’t be silenced. It’s actually apparently a Japanese law. https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-turn-the-camera-shutter-sound...

This is true. Many people use “live” pictures because that triggers the less obnoxious video chimes.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no activity indicator when an iPhone's camera is on?

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You're right, I'll find another example and update the answer. I believe this is possible, in React Native you can access the camera and programmatically set the preview component size. As far as I know, there is nothing preventing you from using the camera to a preview component that is not visible on the screen. If Whatapps can do this: https://cdn.howtoisolve.com//wp-content/uploads/2016/12/How-... It means you ca…

You need to ask user’s permission for camera first anyway.

For the first time yes but then the app can access the camera anytime without asking permission.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no activity indicator when an iPhone's camera is on?

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I don't think that would be reasonable. Unless there is a significant safety issue or privacy issue that would be solved, I don't think the government should force manufacturers to add features to their phones, seems like a pretty extreme overreach. Any LED added could easily be removed or covered up in a few seconds, so I don't see how it changes anything.

The ability to defeat a safety or privacy measure doesn't mean it shouldn't be implemented. People sometimes buckle their seatbelts behind them instead of wearing them, but seatbelts are still mandatory in most places. There are many different instances where someone would want an indicator for a camera and would not block the LED: detecting apps that take pictures without being asked, knowing whether the person acro…

The difference between this and seatbelts is that with the LED, you are trying to prevent someone from maliciously using the camera, while with seatbelts you are trying to give everyone the ability to be safe should they choose to do so.

And regardless, the ability to defeat it should be a factor in determining whether or not it is worth regulating, even if it isn't the sole factor. The combination of having the LED both easy to defeat, and having very limited usefulness, make it not worth regulating.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no activity indicator when an iPhone's camera is on?

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I just want a phone that has a manual physical toggle button that kills the power to the cameras if any apps need the camera they can just notify me to please toggle that switch. One of the nightly build that I put on my note 8 turns on the edge screen notification flash when the cameras are on every once in awhile I see that thing on no reason.

The "Oppo Find X" has a pop-up camera, so it sort of does this.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no activity indicator when an iPhone's camera is on?

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I’ve wondered this too. But maybe ux is more important in this case than privacy. There’s a red or blue bar that shows up when mic or location or hotspot is on. I’d hate to see that when my full screen camera app opens. But I do value privacy. So another solution would be what Mac has implemented. A led shows up whenever the camera is on. But I’ve seen reports and articles where it’s possible to fire the Mac camera a…

> But I’ve seen reports and articles where it’s possible to fire the Mac camera and shut it off quickly before the LED has time to kick on. It should be trivial to delay LED's 'off' if it happens too soon after the 'on' signal. There are many possible solutions if designers actually care about users' privacy.

This might be specific to the MacBook Air but it seems trivial on the Mac to capture without an LED. E.g. open up Skype and go to settings and you’ll see live footage of your camera without the LED coming on. Am I overlooking something?

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no activity indicator when an iPhone's camera is on?

#48
This likely hasn't been made clear to them with a terrifying example yet.

Guessing they currently don't have a hardware LED because it might freak people out how much the camera is actually on. Likely no onscreen indicator for the same reason. If they were going to make this change, they'd have to weigh the benefits of making this change against spooking users who have no idea why their bank app is using their front facing camera.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no activity indicator when an iPhone's camera is on?

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I wonder if it would be possible to wire the LED and camera module in series so that the only way for the camera to receive power is if the LED light is also on?

That’s actually what happens on current (as in since 2010) Apple laptops. The camera sensor can not receive power without the LED being on. Pre-2010, the design had a flaw and all the stories about “hacking the camera” that are legit, are about the pre-2010 design.

Presumably this would interact poorly with FaceID’s attention aware features. iOS periodically activates the front facing camera while unlocked to determine if you’re paying attention to the phone. This influences automatic screen dimming and alert noises.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no activity indicator when an iPhone's camera is on?

#50
It’s not the Apple way to make concessions to security through hardware means. The hardware must remain a perfect uninterrupted glass slab, and any protections would likely be made in software.

Edit: downvoter is welcome to point me to any model of Apple hardware that has a hardware radio switch or a hardware cover for the camera lens? The secure enclave is maybe the one exception to the above rule, but is highly software-supported.

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