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Chevy Volt discontinued: Chevrolet's last Volt rolls off the assembly line

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Re: Chevy Volt discontinued: Chevrolet's last Volt rolls off the assembly line

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Post by azhenley »

chrisseaton wrote: post #27
avs733 wrote: post #18

>It's a true shame, as GM finally got the little details right on both how the engine was put together as well as the interior fit and finish on the 2017 model. Completely agree. I leased a first gen and am now leasing a second gen volt. I'm actually considering buying my current car at the end of the lease. As a bike commuter, it is my only vehicle, which is why I went the hybrid rather than full electric route. The…

> the shifter physical design was moronic The gear shifter? I thought electric cars didn't have those? I thought they were push-pedal-and-go like a go-kart?

Drive, neutral, reverse, park.

Re: Chevy Volt discontinued: Chevrolet's last Volt rolls off the assembly line

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Post by curtis »

rmason wrote: post #9
felipemnoa wrote: post #2

>>Sales averaged less than 20,000 per year, not enough to sustain the costly undertaking. That to me sounds like a decent number. I guess they were selling them at a loss.

The government committed to buy a certain amount of Volts and so did General Electric. It's estimated that there are government subsidies of $250,000 per car. https://jalopnik.com/report-every-chevy-volt-has-over-250-00...

The last paragraph of the article you linked:

>So, yeah. The maximum price-per-vehicle for a Chevy Volt is $250,000 per vehicle — right now — if you make all the most pessimistic assumptions and the government hands over all their grant/subsidy money to companies who don't meet the goals built into the programs.

And this particular article was written in 2011.

Re: Chevy Volt discontinued: Chevrolet's last Volt rolls off the assembly line

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Post by chaostheory »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #13
organsnyder wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Yes, there are more components than either a pure ICE or pure EV, but that doesn't translate to "twice the maintenance expense". In my experience (we own a Pacifica PHEV), a PHEV means less expense than a 100% ICE vehicle, but more than a pure EV.

Is it twice the expense? Probably not. Plug in hybrids are simply the worst of both worlds. You still need an engine and everything that goes with it, and your all electric range is anemic. Why would I buy a Volt when I could buy a Model 3, a Leaf, or another EV? Electricity is cheap, no need for fuel or oil changes, and the driving experience is better (at least in Teslas with quick 0-60 times). You also are still e…

I don't need to spend hours charging my car if I want to go beyond my commute. I simply go to a normal gas station and my Volt effectively functions as a hybrid. With gas, Volts have a 300 mile range.

Also if my charger somehow fails in the middle of the night, I can still drive to work without issues.

Re: Chevy Volt discontinued: Chevrolet's last Volt rolls off the assembly line

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Post by hnuser123456 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #27
avs733 wrote: post #18

>It's a true shame, as GM finally got the little details right on both how the engine was put together as well as the interior fit and finish on the 2017 model. Completely agree. I leased a first gen and am now leasing a second gen volt. I'm actually considering buying my current car at the end of the lease. As a bike commuter, it is my only vehicle, which is why I went the hybrid rather than full electric route. The…

> the shifter physical design was moronic The gear shifter? I thought electric cars didn't have those? I thought they were push-pedal-and-go like a go-kart?

You still shift it into park/drive/reverse. I've been in one but don't remember having a problem with it, besides the atrocious visibility.

Re: Chevy Volt discontinued: Chevrolet's last Volt rolls off the assembly line

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Post by brightball »

felipemnoa wrote: post #2

>>Sales averaged less than 20,000 per year, not enough to sustain the costly undertaking. That to me sounds like a decent number. I guess they were selling them at a loss.

They also never advertised it at all. The only people who knew about them either researched them or heard about them from word of mouth.

The total absense of advertising for a vehicle that so many people loved has always reeked of lack of commitment from one side of the house.

That doesn’t even factor in how Chevy dealerships would actively try to talk you out of them.

Re: Chevy Volt discontinued: Chevrolet's last Volt rolls off the assembly line

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Post by baobrain »

chrisseaton wrote: post #27
avs733 wrote: post #18

>It's a true shame, as GM finally got the little details right on both how the engine was put together as well as the interior fit and finish on the 2017 model. Completely agree. I leased a first gen and am now leasing a second gen volt. I'm actually considering buying my current car at the end of the lease. As a bike commuter, it is my only vehicle, which is why I went the hybrid rather than full electric route. The…

> the shifter physical design was moronic The gear shifter? I thought electric cars didn't have those? I thought they were push-pedal-and-go like a go-kart?

I think they might mean the shifter to change from park/drive/reverse/neutral

Re: Chevy Volt discontinued: Chevrolet's last Volt rolls off the assembly line

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Post by brightball »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #13
organsnyder wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Yes, there are more components than either a pure ICE or pure EV, but that doesn't translate to "twice the maintenance expense". In my experience (we own a Pacifica PHEV), a PHEV means less expense than a 100% ICE vehicle, but more than a pure EV.

Is it twice the expense? Probably not. Plug in hybrids are simply the worst of both worlds. You still need an engine and everything that goes with it, and your all electric range is anemic. Why would I buy a Volt when I could buy a Model 3, a Leaf, or another EV? Electricity is cheap, no need for fuel or oil changes, and the driving experience is better (at least in Teslas with quick 0-60 times). You also are still e…

Because most other EVs other than Tesla lack range, while you can still take a Volt on a long trip without having to plan around finding a special charging station.

It’s the single best solution on the market to cutting fuel usage by about 90%, being fun to drive and not having all the headaches that go with range anxiety / locating available charging stations.

The real question is why you’d by an all electric when the Volt was an option? They’re totally impractical for anything other than a 2nd car.

Re: Chevy Volt discontinued: Chevrolet's last Volt rolls off the assembly line

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Post by sitkack »

avs733 wrote: post #18

>It's a true shame, as GM finally got the little details right on both how the engine was put together as well as the interior fit and finish on the 2017 model. Completely agree. I leased a first gen and am now leasing a second gen volt. I'm actually considering buying my current car at the end of the lease. As a bike commuter, it is my only vehicle, which is why I went the hybrid rather than full electric route. The…

God has wish that conversation was recorded, I’d probably listen to it twice.
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