India proposes new e-commerce regulations with focus on data rules
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Re: India proposes new e-commerce regulations with focus on data rules
#2Interesting that Facebook is a left as an aside in the discussion. I think the data-localization is likely to hit them the hardest.
How would data localization apply across specific parts of a data graph without pulling in the entire graph?
Re: India proposes new e-commerce regulations with focus on data rules
#3Before some of you take out your pitchforks against India's "socialist / commies" out to screw western companies, please read this:
> An investigation by the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has revealed that Microsoft has been passing user data that it gathers from Indian banks that are Office 365 customers to various U.S. intelligence agencies, upon demand ... Microsoft is bound to share customers’ data under US Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) and US national security letters as and when required by the US authorities.”
> ... In the Office 365 contract, the banks agreed to share such data only if it was sanctioned by the Government of India or an Indian court. The contract also made provisions for gag orders issued by the U.S. agencies, where Microsoft wouldn't be allowed to outwardly acknowledge the disclosure of the user data ...
Source: "Microsoft has been sharing Indian bank customers' data with U.S. intelligence agencies" - https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-has-been-sharing-india...
Again, this highlights one of the obvious dangers of using a "cloud service" - foreign governments and companies can access your data.
Re: India proposes new e-commerce regulations with focus on data rules
#4There might be deeper trade concerns underlying the change in Delhi's stance, I do not think bureaucrats in the Indian government ever really created about privacy - its a convenient Casus Belli.
India mostly allowed free access to US tech companies for a while.
In exchange tech companies created a lot of middle class jobs in many indian cities.
But more importantly there seemed to an unwritten trade deal involving immigration.
Ever since Trump made his hardline immigration stance actionable, Indian consulting companies have taken a beating.
India's main dollar income source has been Indian working abroad.
It was an win win for US multi nationals, they got access to a large and growing market and also had access to cheap skilled labour.
It was also an win win for the upper middle class ( who really control the conversations ) in india, since they got access to US technology, better paid domestic software jobs and send their kids to the US.
In my own reading on India. They will crush any foreign company that tries to gain a monopoly market share - they did it with middle eastern telecom operators, and they will do it with US tech companies when its convenient. They rather their own billionaires have the monopoly.
There is nothing anybody else can do about it, since they have the numbers. So its really risky to invest large amount of capital in India, even if the average Indian is really thirty for capital and investment.
But I have noticed the average capitalist falls for India's trap time and again. I think it has to do with returns, if India was offering 20% RoR and companies were getting 2% RoR then as a CEO / manager I had to change my asset allocation regardless of future political risks involved.
Re: India proposes new e-commerce regulations with focus on data rules
#5There might be deeper trade concerns underlying the change in Delhi's stance, I do not think bureaucrats in the Indian government ever really created about privacy - its a convenient Casus Belli. India mostly allowed free access to US tech companies for a while. In exchange tech companies created a lot of middle class jobs in many indian cities. But more importantly there seemed to an unwritten trade deal involving i…
>They rather their own billionaires have the monopoly...
Just, Devil's Advocate here, but can you blame them?
Re: India proposes new e-commerce regulations with focus on data rules
#6Before some of you take out your pitchforks against India's "socialist / commies" out to screw western companies, please read this: > An investigation by the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has revealed that Microsoft has been passing user data that it gathers from Indian banks that are Office 365 customers to various U.S. intelligence agencies, upon demand ... Microsoft is bound to share customers’ data under US Foreign…
>this highlights one of the obvious dangers of using a "cloud service"
This is more a basic result of just not having control of the server side stack. No amount of regulation is going to fix that. You have any number of laws, which can be undermined with a change of a bool by the vendor, and you can't do anything about it. If a government needs basic infrastructure like email, just do it in house. It isn't that hard.
Re: India proposes new e-commerce regulations with focus on data rules
#7There might be deeper trade concerns underlying the change in Delhi's stance, I do not think bureaucrats in the Indian government ever really created about privacy - its a convenient Casus Belli. India mostly allowed free access to US tech companies for a while. In exchange tech companies created a lot of middle class jobs in many indian cities. But more importantly there seemed to an unwritten trade deal involving i…
>India mostly allowed free access to US tech companies for a while.
Tech companies allowed it as well because they wanted to capture Indian mindshare which would eventually become their largest customer base.
Re: India proposes new e-commerce regulations with focus on data rules
#8There might be deeper trade concerns underlying the change in Delhi's stance, I do not think bureaucrats in the Indian government ever really created about privacy - its a convenient Casus Belli. India mostly allowed free access to US tech companies for a while. In exchange tech companies created a lot of middle class jobs in many indian cities. But more importantly there seemed to an unwritten trade deal involving i…
>India mostly allowed free access to US tech companies for a while. Tech companies allowed it as well because they wanted to capture Indian mindshare which would eventually become their largest customer base.
The Brits used to (and still do) capture indian mindshare and had them as their largest customer base - it didn't turn out well for indian national interest though.
Re: India proposes new e-commerce regulations with focus on data rules
#9Before some of you take out your pitchforks against India's "socialist / commies" out to screw western companies, please read this: > An investigation by the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has revealed that Microsoft has been passing user data that it gathers from Indian banks that are Office 365 customers to various U.S. intelligence agencies, upon demand ... Microsoft is bound to share customers’ data under US Foreign…
>this highlights one of the obvious dangers of using a "cloud service" This is more a basic result of just not having control of the server side stack. No amount of regulation is going to fix that. You have any number of laws, which can be undermined with a change of a bool by the vendor, and you can't do anything about it. If a government needs basic infrastructure like email, just do it in house. It isn't that hard…
> This is more a basic result of just not having control of the server side stack.
That's software-as-a-service in a nutshell for you. Even if you opt to setup your own server, and develop a custom solution, the US government has the right to ask you to install black boxes on your network and or data centers (read about Lavabit shutting down because of this), if you are on US soil (or operating from the US?).
> No amount of regulation is going to fix that.
I disagree.
Re: India proposes new e-commerce regulations with focus on data rules
#10There might be deeper trade concerns underlying the change in Delhi's stance, I do not think bureaucrats in the Indian government ever really created about privacy - its a convenient Casus Belli. India mostly allowed free access to US tech companies for a while. In exchange tech companies created a lot of middle class jobs in many indian cities. But more importantly there seemed to an unwritten trade deal involving i…
> There might be deeper trade concerns underlying the change in Delhi's stance ...
Security. Sovereignty.
"Microsoft has been sharing Indian bank customers' data with U.S. intelligence agencies"
=> https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-has-been-sharing-india...