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Re: Trolls Are Real

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Post by arduanika » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:20 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #12

badfrog wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? Why?

Ocean fish are a well-known example of the tragedy of the commons, where too many independent fishermen will wipe out the local fish population, leading to less fish for everybody. This is traditionally dealt with by (1) Informal norms among the fishermen as to how much fishing you should do. This system is not resilient to immigrants, who don't know the local norms (and may, not unreasonably, feel that the local nor…

Interesting, but this whole digression is patently off-topic.

Re: Trolls Are Real

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Post by close04 » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:24 PM UTC

leesalminen wrote: post #16

nestorD wrote: post #14

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Not equal apparently : https://youtu.be/mICxKmCjF-4

A title of “Admit it. The Republicans have broken politics” and being published by Vox fills me with confidence that this will be an unbiased report based solely in fact. Definitely. This is clearly an opinion and not news nor fact. The real fact is that Republicans are American, just like Democrats. We are all responsible for breaking our country. Every. Single. One. Of. Us.

> We are all responsible for breaking our country. Every. Single. One. Of. Us.

That's not how it works. Unless all Americans are responsible for an American barn catching fire because the American owner tossed an American cigarette butt inside.

No, politics get ruined by politicians. And politicians are put there by some of the people. Not all of the people. I know you'd like to lessen the burden on your shoulders and try to spread the blame also towards the people who voted against them. But if you voted for the current crop of politicians ruling your country you (and all others casting the same vote) are directly responsible for the state it's in.

Being ashamed of that and diverting the blame just implies you accept you voted for the wrong people.

Re: Trolls Are Real

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Post by fwip » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:31 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #22

leesalminen wrote: post #20

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Never knew that. Wikipedia does confirm that Democratic Party members dislike the term. Still though, a slur? Sticks and stones may break my bones but words may never hurt me. Grow up.

“Slur” is a matter of intent by the user. It fits.

No, it doesn't.

Saying that somebody is "a rude boy" doesn't make "rude" a slur.

Re: Trolls Are Real

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Post by mikeash » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:34 PM UTC

fwip wrote: post #33

mikeash wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Slur” is a matter of intent by the user. It fits.

No, it doesn't. Saying that somebody is "a rude boy" doesn't make "rude" a slur.

“an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo”

Pretty sure it does!

Re: Trolls Are Real

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Post by fwip » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:43 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #34

fwip wrote: post #33

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No, it doesn't. Saying that somebody is "a rude boy" doesn't make "rude" a slur.

“an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo” Pretty sure it does!

Words have meaning not captured in one line of a dictionary definition.

If you're compiling a list of slurs, do "rude" and "Democrat" come to mind first? Or is it words that you might put asterisks in?

Re: Trolls Are Real

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Post by jessaustin » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:54 PM UTC

acomjean wrote: post #15

hownottowrite wrote: post #11

Reference: Speech given by USPTO Director Andre Iancu to the Eastern District of Texas Bar Association https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2018/10/19/iancu-risk-takers-pate...

Yikes, thats pretty bad. In a single brush he dismisses those small business horror stories as “fairy tails”. Not to get to political, but the with the current us political environment it’s not entirely surprising. Also using last century examples ( IBM and 3com ) is a little strange.

Yes it's amazing that "Intellectual Ventures" and "Myhrvold" don't appear at all in that speech.

Re: Trolls Are Real

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Post by jka » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:55 PM UTC

This may mean it's a good time to re-read the history of SCO and their patent claims on Linux:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO%E2%80%93Linux_disputes

Re: Trolls Are Real

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Post by daveFNbuck » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:59 PM UTC

fwip wrote: post #35

mikeash wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo” Pretty sure it does!

Words have meaning not captured in one line of a dictionary definition. If you're compiling a list of slurs, do "rude" and "Democrat" come to mind first? Or is it words that you might put asterisks in?

You're thinking of the more specific terms "racial slur" or "ethnic slur" and not the generic word "slur".

Re: Trolls Are Real

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Post by dalbasal » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 4:15 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #12

badfrog wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? Why?

Ocean fish are a well-known example of the tragedy of the commons, where too many independent fishermen will wipe out the local fish population, leading to less fish for everybody. This is traditionally dealt with by (1) Informal norms among the fishermen as to how much fishing you should do. This system is not resilient to immigrants, who don't know the local norms (and may, not unreasonably, feel that the local nor…

(1) Informal norms among the fishermen as to how much fishing you should do. This system is not resilient to immigrants, who don't know the local norms (and may, not unreasonably, feel that the local norms already allot all of the fish to established fishermen), so fishing communities are often fiercely resistant to newcomers.

"Informal" cultural norms operate as laws on a small scale, maybe a pre-industrial community and a lake (or grazing commons, like various feudal Europe examples). Any scale that implies depleting oceanic fish is a way to big for this. I would be surprised if any modern era conventions applied to ocean fishing for migrants to have any influence at all.

Re: Trolls Are Real

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Post by thaumasiotes » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 4:24 PM UTC

dalbasal wrote: post #39

thaumasiotes wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ocean fish are a well-known example of the tragedy of the commons, where too many independent fishermen will wipe out the local fish population, leading to less fish for everybody. This is traditionally dealt with by (1) Informal norms among the fishermen as to how much fishing you should do. This system is not resilient to immigrants, who don't know the local norms (and may, not unreasonably, feel that the local nor…

(1) Informal norms among the fishermen as to how much fishing you should do. This system is not resilient to immigrants, who don't know the local norms (and may, not unreasonably, feel that the local norms already allot all of the fish to established fishermen), so fishing communities are often fiercely resistant to newcomers. "Informal" cultural norms operate as laws on a small scale, maybe a pre-industrial communit…

The ocean is all connected, but fish don't magically equalize their distribution by the law of fish gravity. If you double the number of ocean fishermen working out of Galveston, the supply of fish near Galveston will suffer.

Cultural norms generally operate on a small group of people. In the modern day, it doesn't take very many people to catch a ridiculous number of fish. So depleting ocean fish is better handled by cultural norms now than it was 500 years ago, when catching a lot of fish meant fielding a lot of boats.