Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting?

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Post by Boxxed » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 12:31 AM UTC

mikekchar wrote: post #34

Boxxed wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I never really trust any of these sites because the all claim to have good data, and yet they all report pretty wildly different salary ranges for similar jobs. I have absolutely no idea if I'm actually being paid a reasonable salary, but honestly it's something that's important to me at my current stage in my career.

Out of curiosity (I'm not hiring :-) ), what does "reasonable salary" mean to you? Also, how do you evaluate the similarity of jobs? I'm asking because if I were looking to decide if I'm making a reasonable salary, I don't really even know where to start. I mean junior/intermediate/senior developer mean completely different things in different companies. The role of lead developer might be completely different as wel…

"Reasonable" here means "roughly market rate". But salary survey sites always have such a wide range as to be useless.

I mostly evaluate similarity in terms of responsibility (both tech-wise and human-wise), which yes, is very difficult to compare across jobs. Especially considering that jobs often morph pretty quickly after day one.

In the end, I go for the jobs that sound interesting and do my best to negotiate.

Re: Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting?

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Post by rajacombinator » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 1:21 AM UTC

Recruiting is pretty easy. 1) pay more, and 2) be capable of recognizing good talent. (Which requires being good yourself.) Unfortunately, the tech industry fails brutally on both counts. Due to a combination of business guys suppressing wages, techies lacking courage to get better wages, and techies lacking confidence in their own abilities, hence their ability to discriminate correctly when hiring. This leads to the hoop jumping exercises that are common in tech interviews.

Re: Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting?

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Post by Boxxed » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 5:47 AM UTC

kod wrote: post #45

Boxxed wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I never really trust any of these sites because the all claim to have good data, and yet they all report pretty wildly different salary ranges for similar jobs. I have absolutely no idea if I'm actually being paid a reasonable salary, but honestly it's something that's important to me at my current stage in my career.

The reason you're seeing wildly different ranges is because salary varies wildly. Speaking as a manager, I've seen 2x differences in comp for the same position and relative experience, at the same company.

Well, I guess it's stuff like that that makes me want to make sure I'm getting a fair salary.

Re: Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting?

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Post by profalseidol » Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 4:09 AM UTC

mikekchar wrote: post #34

Boxxed wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I never really trust any of these sites because the all claim to have good data, and yet they all report pretty wildly different salary ranges for similar jobs. I have absolutely no idea if I'm actually being paid a reasonable salary, but honestly it's something that's important to me at my current stage in my career.

Out of curiosity (I'm not hiring :-) ), what does "reasonable salary" mean to you? Also, how do you evaluate the similarity of jobs? I'm asking because if I were looking to decide if I'm making a reasonable salary, I don't really even know where to start. I mean junior/intermediate/senior developer mean completely different things in different companies. The role of lead developer might be completely different as wel…

Salary is never reasonable. Employment is essentially slavery which is never reasonable, at least with the surplus we have at this age.