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Apple to Close Stores in Eastern District of Texas to Fight Patent Trolls

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Re: Apple to Close Stores in Eastern District of Texas to Fight Patent Trolls

#41
Here's something I don't quite understand, and where some of this feels a little hypocritical: Apple, the most valuable company in the world, could be working to reform patent law in order to make this a non-issue. Everyone talks about US politics as pay-to-play, it should be possible for Apple, Google, MS, Amazon, etc., to lobby for Software Patents, for example, to be reclassified as "math" and therefor not patentable. If they're actively doing that, then I'm not aware of it. If US policy can be bought and sold as we are led to believe (maybe this is actually a false premise) then you'd think the most valuable companies in the world would be able to change it.

What this implies to me, is that they want the existing patent system to work in their favor, i.e. to protect their monopolies against new competitors, but they don't want to deal with the downside of the patent troll abuse.

Don't get me wrong, I'm aware of the documented corruption of the court in Texas, and I think it's abhorrent, along with all the trolls, but this feels like a situation where Apple wants it's cake and to eat it too. Shouldn't we just do away with software patents all together and instead rely on copyright law?

Re: Apple to Close Stores in Eastern District of Texas to Fight Patent Trolls

#42

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Oh please. The fact that you don’t like patents doesn’t mean that judges who disagree are corrupt.

goodness me. i always chuckle at these kinds of reductive strawmen.

In between chuckles, maybe you can explain the corruption charges to me.

Re: Apple to Close Stores in Eastern District of Texas to Fight Patent Trolls

#43

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Most patents filed big by corps are protective in nature. It would be hard for Apple to sue people for 'round corners' - but it gives them a moat to protect themselves from trolls who patent 'round corners'. But it does cause problems, because it causes hesitancy in other companies, i.e. 'swipe to unlock' patents etc..

We are not talking about "most" sane, reasonable companies like Google, Samsung, etc. Apple is historically known for being litigatious, in addition to being the most litigated today: https://www.pcworld.com/article/262202/apple_vs_a_pl_tech_co...

What is a ‘reasonable’ company? The chairman and heir of Samsung went to prison for corruption. https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/201...

Re: Apple to Close Stores in Eastern District of Texas to Fight Patent Trolls

#45

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Should they not punish the region? The Eastern district is corrupt.

Oh man, imagine the riots and changes that would ensue is Amazon suddenly started blocking purchases from Eastern district residents... "well we don't want to be considered as doing business there, y'all need to fix your courts..."

For maximum effect, organize. Amazon. Google. Netflix. Apple. All boycotting and IP blocking the District.

Cue cries of corporations becoming more powerful than governments.

Re: Apple to Close Stores in Eastern District of Texas to Fight Patent Trolls

#47

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This district is a notorious harbor for patent trolls. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-05-25/the-te... https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/patently-unfair/ https://boingboing.net/2017/09/26/judge-rodney-gilstrap-2.ht... http://www.judicialhellholes.org/2015-2016/u-s-district-cour...

I’m aware that patent trolls bring a lot of cases there. That’s hardly the same as the judges being corrupt.

The steady influx of business has brought significant financial benefits to the area. It's not hard to suspect the correlation has a negative impact on the court's impartiality.

In the case of Gilstrap's predecessor, there's a direct connection.

> The top judge for patent cases in East Texas used to be John Ward, until he "retired" to join his son in a local law practice representing patent trolls.

From https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151101/00440632686/court...

Re: Apple to Close Stores in Eastern District of Texas to Fight Patent Trolls

#48

looks like Apple is shopping around. I guess we are going to see more cases landing on the desk of Judge Lucy Koh in the Northern District. Koh is obviously known for her landmark decisions in Apple vs Samsung and other cases that overtly favored Apple. Samsung, for instance, despite having won a ITC case and a SCOTUS decision on limiting damage on design infringement, saw their ITC victory reversed/pardoned by Obama…

The litigants decide where to file suit. Apple can't shop for courts when they're the defendant, except in this case by specifically avoiding the jurisdiction of one court that's a dramatic outlier.

Re: Apple to Close Stores in Eastern District of Texas to Fight Patent Trolls

#49

Here's something I don't quite understand, and where some of this feels a little hypocritical: Apple, the most valuable company in the world, could be working to reform patent law in order to make this a non-issue. Everyone talks about US politics as pay-to-play, it should be possible for Apple, Google, MS, Amazon, etc., to lobby for Software Patents, for example, to be reclassified as "math" and therefor not patenta…

They don't want to re-define how patent law works because they sometimes use it to their advantage.

Re: Apple to Close Stores in Eastern District of Texas to Fight Patent Trolls

#50

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We are not talking about "most" sane, reasonable companies like Google, Samsung, etc. Apple is historically known for being litigatious, in addition to being the most litigated today: https://www.pcworld.com/article/262202/apple_vs_a_pl_tech_co...

What is a ‘reasonable’ company? The chairman and heir of Samsung went to prison for corruption. https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/201...

two things:

First, that's the cost of doing business in less politically developed countries like South Korea. Google withdrew from China for not wanting to stoop to the oppressive, corrupt gov't; Apple on the other hand outsourced all data collection to a domestic Chinese company to continue business there. Samsung unfortunately doesn't have the luxury to leave South Korea. You don't hear Samsung exec's getting convicted of bribery in the US, do you?

Second, lookie here, a red herring! We are discussing what to expect from most sane big "reasonable" companies with respect to their IP, not the recent political corruption scandal, or the messy ouster of President Park, in South Korea.

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