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Re: Tim Berners-Lee: Long Live The Web

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Post by devmonk » Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 7:19 PM UTC

Great as always, but Tim says: Open Standards Drive Innovation

These standards aren't really that open because of the committees, large companies, and bureaucracy surrounding them. And major languages we use like PhP, Python, Ruby, Java, etc. (with exception of ANSI C#, Javascript (ECMAScript) and some others) weren't successful because they were based on standards. I use FF (which was touted as standards compliant all during its transition from Mozilla from Netscape) all the time, but if it weren't for Netscape folding and IE sucking, it probably would have had much less market share than it does. I think standards are good, but the red tape slows us down. Put the specs and their reference implementations on Github (if it doesn't go down) and fork them at will, then maybe we'll see some real progress. Successful viruses mutate frequently.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: Long Live The Web

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Post by brlewis » Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 8:00 PM UTC

The web did not spread quickly from the grassroots up. TBL worked hard selling it. Eventually it had its own momentum, but he makes it sound easy.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: Long Live The Web

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Post by eugenejen » Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 8:46 PM UTC

RyanMcGreal wrote: post #20

Ixiaus wrote: post #16

The openness of the web, just as the openness of the Americas (when first discovered), will inevitably turn into a demarcation of borders and "property" dispute. The first settlers here had free reign, the land was truly "open" just as the Internet was truly "open". When it is so open that eventually the masses adopt it - it goes from being an open entity to a closed entity because diversity of opinion is so wide amo…

Land is ultimately a bounded resource, and staking out property is a zero-sum game. the web is, for all intents and purposes, unbounded.

I agree what you said. But the total time spent on Internet of all human being will be bounded, not infinite. You can only have 7 x 18 billion person-hours a day to use different services. What you have to compete is the time that users uses your service.

Of course I maybe wrong in above statement. The statement doesn't include all automated computing processes. Then the limit may be much larger to be considered as unlimited.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: Long Live The Web

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Post by raintrees » Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 8:47 PM UTC

Would a form of protest against internet filtering take the shape of misinformation?

For example, it has been argued that the label of Sex Offender has been so misused, that the lists comprised are becoming of little value. Same for No Fly lists. This data may be from my (admittedly) very narrow list of sources, but for the sake of argument, please bear with me.

Using this same idea, adding government websites and commercial company websites to the COICA blacklists would help devalue such filtering, just as adding legislature's households to the Hadopi/Digital Economy Act's lists would devalue them...

If internet access can be moved to the power lines, would it be easier to have a non-throttled, non-filtered net? No, I guess that would likewise be subject to legislation-induced choking...

Sigh.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: Long Live The Web

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Post by PostOnce » Sat, Nov 20, 2010, 8:29 AM UTC

eugenejen wrote: post #23

RyanMcGreal wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Land is ultimately a bounded resource, and staking out property is a zero-sum game. the web is, for all intents and purposes, unbounded.

I agree what you said. But the total time spent on Internet of all human being will be bounded, not infinite. You can only have 7 x 18 billion person-hours a day to use different services. What you have to compete is the time that users uses your service. Of course I maybe wrong in above statement. The statement doesn't include all automated computing processes. Then the limit may be much larger to be considered as u…

so... Governments will restrict the web to steal market share from various web apps? I think you may have misinterpreted what they're talking about. :P

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: Long Live The Web

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Post by whyleyc » Sat, Nov 20, 2010, 10:34 AM UTC

catshirt wrote: post #13

whyleyc wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did some URL hacking and came up with a full-page non-ad version here: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=long-live-t...

there is also a print button :) not for nothing of course; i usually look for these first.

Me too, unfortunately it doesn't work on this article for me though.