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Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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A website cannot tell a browser to "load malware", unless we're talking about a exploit, which should be patched. (Please don't say "if I send you a malformed png file you have to execute the exploit, otherwise your argument breaks down".)

sure they can, unrequested crypto miners running in the background are malware

As opposed to requested crypto miners. I would gladly trade some processor time and energy so that I don't have to watch obnoxious ads.

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Containers have some great add-ons built around them, have you taken a look? I agree with your point completely though- needs to be a front and center feature. I'd like to add something else- firefox should ship a 'power user' edition. Comes pre-installed with uBlock origin/uMatrix/temporary containers/sidebar tabs/greasemonkey/Tridactyl (sorry emacs users ;)

> firefox should ship a 'power user' edition If you have Firefox-Sync enabled. You will get all your extensions anyway. so it is a one time setup for all those extensions that you need. First time hearing Tridactyl! I'm using Vimium. Does it have any advantage over Vimium?

Related to the GP - Tridactyl has container support with `tabopen -c [container name] url`, for example.

Generally we're much more happy to add features. Vimium cares much more about looks and stability (although we do have a Vimium-style theme with `colours shydactyl`).

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Will this also force Do Not Track to be on, similar to the current tracking blocklists in Firefox? That's the primary reason why I have it turned off and rely on uBlock Origin + a few other extensions.

DNT is pretty much dead because no one ever really honored it.

And that is exactly why I would like it to not be forced on (or off). I want my browser to report no DNT setting at all, to reduce my fingerprinting profile.

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Firefox's Container's approach has been quite interesting to use, but if a suggestion could get out to the Firefox team, I would advise improved streamlining of workflow for the extension, including with sync and returning browser setup, and for organizing and setting up new containers (configuring them to always open for a domain, putting them in folders).

My two favorite container addons:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/open-bookmark...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/switch-contai...

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Companies have begun switching tracking tech to first-party cookies (where possible) since Apple's introduction of "Intelligent Tracking Protection," so Mozilla's similar move probably won't have that much of an impact either. Apple has responded with ITP 2.1, though, limiting _all_ (persistent) cookie lifetime to 7 days, although these could probably be accurately re-issued/kept alive in my opinion: https://webkit.o…

How can first-party cookies used to track users across multiple properties?

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Alternatively, it work to FF's benefit that no one can know what the real percentage of users are. There might be some positive press around "the numbers in Analytics do not reflect users on FF"

Nah. People making decisions don't care. Firefox usage will be reported as super low, and it won't be tested.

And users who report having issues with Firefox will be told to use Chrome (that is what's already happening)

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Companies have begun switching tracking tech to first-party cookies (where possible) since Apple's introduction of "Intelligent Tracking Protection," so Mozilla's similar move probably won't have that much of an impact either. Apple has responded with ITP 2.1, though, limiting _all_ (persistent) cookie lifetime to 7 days, although these could probably be accurately re-issued/kept alive in my opinion: https://webkit.o…

How can first-party cookies used to track users across multiple properties?

You send tracking events to your analytics/tracking partner from your backend instead of from the browser and they combine the cookie ids.

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Companies have begun switching tracking tech to first-party cookies (where possible) since Apple's introduction of "Intelligent Tracking Protection," so Mozilla's similar move probably won't have that much of an impact either. Apple has responded with ITP 2.1, though, limiting _all_ (persistent) cookie lifetime to 7 days, although these could probably be accurately re-issued/kept alive in my opinion: https://webkit.o…

I, and probably many other users, have begun blocking all first-party cookies by default. I only permit it on sites I sign into and want to remember me, which are very few. If Mozilla wants to make a real difference, they'd study uMatrix and figure out how to create UX that would give that degree of flexibility and power to non-technical users.

I've never used umatrix and just stuck with noscript over the years due to the lengthy process of allowing scripts / domains, going through random external scripts required to make pages work that are not self-explanatory.

Is there anything in umatrix to make the switch worthwhile?

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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How can first-party cookies used to track users across multiple properties?

You send tracking events to your analytics/tracking partner from your backend instead of from the browser and they combine the cookie ids.

I thought the whole purpose of using third party JavaScript and third party cookies in advertising is that the advertisers don't trust the host backends. What's to stop a site operator from "boosting" the stats in order to make more money?
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