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Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

#11
One thing mentioned on the responses that might be really concerning is the fact that this will mean that for a lot of analytics it will look like firefox usage is close to zero.

No usage data, devs caring less about firefox, users having more problems when using firefox, less users using firefox, less users having 3rd party trackers blocked, chrome monopoly growing.

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

#12

One thing mentioned on the responses that might be really concerning is the fact that this will mean that for a lot of analytics it will look like firefox usage is close to zero. No usage data, devs caring less about firefox, users having more problems when using firefox, less users using firefox, less users having 3rd party trackers blocked, chrome monopoly growing.

Alternatively, it work to FF's benefit that no one can know what the real percentage of users are.

There might be some positive press around "the numbers in Analytics do not reflect users on FF"

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

#13

Will this also force Do Not Track to be on, similar to the current tracking blocklists in Firefox? That's the primary reason why I have it turned off and rely on uBlock Origin + a few other extensions.

DNT is pretty much dead because no one ever really honored it.

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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post #8

I think this is a bad idea. Even though I personally block 3rd party trackers by default, breaking the web by default will cause problems. Also, ad blocking will start being a problem when enough people start doing it. I still remember the days of no websites yelling at you for blocking their ads. Things are going to get much worse.

> I think this is a bad idea. Even though I personally block 3rd party trackers by default, breaking the web by default will cause problems.

How is this “breaking the web”? Honest question, I would not subscribe to that sentiment, but am interested in other points of view.

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Companies have begun switching tracking tech to first-party cookies (where possible) since Apple's introduction of "Intelligent Tracking Protection," so Mozilla's similar move probably won't have that much of an impact either.

Apple has responded with ITP 2.1, though, limiting _all_ (persistent) cookie lifetime to 7 days, although these could probably be accurately re-issued/kept alive in my opinion: https://webkit.org/blog/8613/intelligent-tracking-prevention...

ITP 2.1 also removes support for Do Not Track (as it's not honored anyway).

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

#16
post #8

I think this is a bad idea. Even though I personally block 3rd party trackers by default, breaking the web by default will cause problems. Also, ad blocking will start being a problem when enough people start doing it. I still remember the days of no websites yelling at you for blocking their ads. Things are going to get much worse.

"breaking the web by default"

It's not breaking the web, it's breaking part of the web's grasp on users. Is the web for people or is it there to use people?

"Ad blocking will start being a problem"

I live in the days where both all ads and all bullshit responses to my adblocker ("don't block my ads!!") are blocked; it's a breeze of fresh air. Sometimes a site tries to get around it and I block it permanently.

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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post #8

I think this is a bad idea. Even though I personally block 3rd party trackers by default, breaking the web by default will cause problems. Also, ad blocking will start being a problem when enough people start doing it. I still remember the days of no websites yelling at you for blocking their ads. Things are going to get much worse.

breaking the web by default will cause problems Doesn't Safari already do this (or something like this)? Safari works pretty well on most web sites. So what will Firefox be doing differently that will "break" the web?

Yes, it’s quite complex though: https://webkit.org/blog/category/privacy/

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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post #8

I think this is a bad idea. Even though I personally block 3rd party trackers by default, breaking the web by default will cause problems. Also, ad blocking will start being a problem when enough people start doing it. I still remember the days of no websites yelling at you for blocking their ads. Things are going to get much worse.

Third party cookies shouldn't exist in the first place.

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

#19
Firefox's Container's approach has been quite interesting to use, but if a suggestion could get out to the Firefox team, I would advise improved streamlining of workflow for the extension, including with sync and returning browser setup, and for organizing and setting up new containers (configuring them to always open for a domain, putting them in folders).

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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post #8

I think this is a bad idea. Even though I personally block 3rd party trackers by default, breaking the web by default will cause problems. Also, ad blocking will start being a problem when enough people start doing it. I still remember the days of no websites yelling at you for blocking their ads. Things are going to get much worse.

Good. Let them yell, allow the system to break. I'm not convinced that the current status quo of paying for services via targetted advertising that amounts to quite a severe level of manipulation and tracking is tenable (nor desirable). Figure out something better.

The alternative is what we do now: a select group with tech savvy blocks advertisements, and lets the masses pick up the bill by 'accepting' ads and having their every movement online tracked.

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