Google Ends Forced Arbitration for Employees

Post by na85 » Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 4:21 AM UTC

walshemj wrote: post #135

m0zg wrote: post #83

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Google will flat out refuse. In their view they own the entirety of your intellectual output for the duration, whether or not it's done on your own time and resources, and whether or not it's in any way related to your day job. I mean I get it (sort of), early on there wasn't really any "moat" to protect the business, so they had to put shit like this in their contracts lest someone goes off and upends their entire b…

I doubt that non related work would actually be enforceable

Post by morgante » Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 4:32 AM UTC

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #182

throwaway0220 wrote: post #163

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(Disclaimer: Googler here) +1. Google gives you a corp phone and computer (even multiple ones, if needed); why the heck you'd want to use your personal devices? Plus using a personal device is strongly discouraged. Also, all the companies I've worked before had similar clauses, and would always push iOS or Android certificates into your phone, so they can remote wipe the device when you leave company. Seems fairly st…

We are not supplied with a corp phone, they're only for people with a 'business need.' Been @ Google 7 years and never had one given to me other than holiday gift phones. Now, some of the nooglers sitting near me seem to think they're entitled to one, so maybe the messaging has changed. but I just looked it up and the language is: "Full-time Googlers with a business need are eligible for one Google-paid mobile phone…

Post by late2part » Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 4:44 AM UTC

ChuckMcM wrote: post #10

Wow, you mean collective employee action can be used to force an employer to stop exploitative behaviors? Who knew? :-) I'm really glad to hear that Google made this step, now if they would drop the overly expansive ownership claim in their employment agreement and the right to surveillance on personal property it would be a much more employee friendly place. I also hope that it gives them an edge in hiring which wou…

Post by untog » Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 4:56 AM UTC

sudhirj wrote: post #194

kodablah wrote: post #114

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I read it as "see, didn't require forming a union to get something done in the tech industry"

Do unions allow competition among union members? It’s always seemed to me that they work in jobs where the people are replaceable. In Google one could work to make 2x to 3x more than the next person - is that will possible with a union? Seems like in jobs where individual talent / skills matter, a union is by definition harmful (unless you’re in the lower 50%). Collective action / protest works fine, though, for esta…

Post by aiiane » Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 5:33 AM UTC

kevingadd wrote: post #188

throwaway0220 wrote: post #163

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(Disclaimer: Googler here) +1. Google gives you a corp phone and computer (even multiple ones, if needed); why the heck you'd want to use your personal devices? Plus using a personal device is strongly discouraged. Also, all the companies I've worked before had similar clauses, and would always push iOS or Android certificates into your phone, so they can remote wipe the device when you leave company. Seems fairly st…

I never had a corp phone at Google and was never offered one. As far as I know they weren't available to me. It wasn't usually a problem but there were definitely cases where if I had a corp phone it would've made things easier - not like I was going to sync my personal phone up to corp and get it remote wiped. They do hand out corp laptops like candy, which is great, but if you need to test software you're developin…