Wait until they start embedding cameras in toilet seats. "For better passenger comfort".
American Airlines Has Cameras in Their Screens Too
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#202I understand why airlines and other industries are using off-the-shelf parts; I actually prefer this because it gets us closer to more modular IFE systems like what Delta/GoGo are doing on the A220, which means airlines can conceivably upgrade their IFE systems more frequently and at lower costs. What I don’t understand is why there aren’t commodify parts available sans cameras, given the myriad of use-cases and the…
> What I don’t understand is why there aren’t commodify parts available sans cameras
Me too. Given what I use tablets for, all other things being equal I would absolutely prefer one that didn't have a camera and microphone over one that did.
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#203I mean, I'm a big fan of privacy but I consider an airline cabin to be a pretty public place. I'm already used to security cameras in pretty much every public building I walk in... ...can anyone think of something nefarious that could be done with these cameras? The only possible "threat" I can think of would be to eavesdrop on someone's laptop/conversation for potential business secrets or otherwise, but the cameras…
If Facebook paid the airlines a dollar per flight to be able to study your facial expressions during moments of turbulence, would that be considered nefarious?
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#204Actually surprised there's no cameras on planes (that I know of at least). Buses, subways, other mass transit have cameras. And I've seen no one complain about the cameras some food chains use in their table-side checkout systems. Red Robin is the first that comes to mind. It sits there your entire meal... Obviously it's to take your pic when you swipe your credit card (and apparently scan coupons and gift cards).
> Buses, subways, other mass transit have cameras.
It was putting cameras in public transit that got me to stop using public transit.
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except people do care, as evidenced by the fact that this is even an article about a controversy in the first place.
Some journalists care. Don't conflate journalists or HN forum with the general public. Most people likely don't care at all.
> Most people likely don't care at all.
I honestly don't think this is true. I think that most people don't realize the amount of surveillance they're being subjected to, and many of those that do realize it engage in a little self-deception (they aren't really watching/they dont'care/etc.) in order to be OK with it.
But that's changing, and fast.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
People by and large keep to themselves on airplanes. If someone was recording you with their cell phone for the duration of the flight, I promise you, you wouldn't like it. The resultant footage wouldn't particularly be any different than if it was recorded by the seatback in front of you, though. If I'm going to, say, a concert, or especially a taping of a TV show, I have a much higher expectation of ending up in so…
I wouldn't like it and if I noticed I'd politely ask them to stop. However, (and I'm not a lawyer) I don't think it'd be illegal or even unethical. If someone was recording me napping on a plane I'd treat it the same way as if I was napping under a tree in a national park. It would be a non issue for me. Privacy is something I control by not exposing sensitive information in areas where recording is a possibility. I…
> Privacy is something I control by not exposing sensitive information in areas where recording is a possibility.
The problem is that this attitude will ultimately mean that the only place where you might have any chance of privacy is in your own home. And even there, privacy is getting more and more rare.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some journalists care. Don't conflate journalists or HN forum with the general public. Most people likely don't care at all.
> Most people likely don't care at all. I honestly don't think this is true. I think that most people don't realize the amount of surveillance they're being subjected to, and many of those that do realize it engage in a little self-deception (they aren't really watching/they dont'care/etc.) in order to be OK with it. But that's changing, and fast.
I think most people know, and they don't care. Look at UK as an example, it's literally 1984 with people on cameras talking to pedestrians to pick up their litter. Home voice automation with non-stop voice recording is the biggest privacy intrusion, and yet it's the biggest hit in the last couple of years.
I really don't think people care as much as you think. HN is not a good representation of how regular people think or feel.
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some journalists care. Don't conflate journalists or HN forum with the general public. Most people likely don't care at all.
People is just the plural of person. Journalists are people too. A small amount of disgruntled air travelers stranded on the tarmac led to the establishment of a Passenger Bill of Rights: https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/us-department-t... . So I wouldn't say that this is worthless or that this is not impactful.
Then say "some people" if you don't want to be deceptive in what you're portraying. Just saying "people" implies that most people believe it, which is not the case.
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#209To me this is just a distraction. Yes there's a hardware camera. I will bet some money that they have not been used nefariously by AA or SQ. Some are raging about the non-existant theoretical privacy violation (again, not 100% non-existant, but I will bet money there's no surveillance through this camera), meanwhile we are ignoring actual privacy violations being done by e.g. Facebook or Twitter, or the millions of a…
> unlike Alexa or Google Home, it's hard for hackers to tinker with one these devices and find remotely-triggerable exploits.
I took this 13-second video on when the flight I was on last year rebooted the in-flight entertainment system upon landing. I sat there for an hour with an opportunity to poke around the menus.