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American Airlines Has Cameras in Their Screens Too

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Re: American Airlines Has Cameras in Their Screens Too

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United has several planes with what appear to be active IR LEDs in the same spot on the front bezel. Any idea what those are doing? Tracking empty seats? Movement for some reason?

Delta does too. It appears it grows more intense the closer you get your hands to it, and the lights near the bottom of the screen turn on when your hand is sufficiently close to the sensor/LED thing.

Re: American Airlines Has Cameras in Their Screens Too

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How can you have privacy concerns in a completely public space?

There's a difference between "one person saw me pick my nose in the aeroplane" and "me picking my nose was recorded for all time, later published and made available to the entire World".

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Most of these are just COTS Android tablets. When they reboot the IFE, you sometimes see the Android soft home/menu button on the bottom. It's easy enough to repair, too -- just apply some opaque tape to the camera.

Indeed. What's interesting is that they used to be Linux tablets (i.e. non-Android) but newer generations have all been Android. I'm guessing economies of scale precipitated the move. It has also come with a significant improvement in touch screen quality which is welcomed (the old Linux based ones had resistive screens).

I think part of this is exonolies of scale, but also the basis of how much faster/cheaper it is to build/maintain an Android-based interface is my thought.

Delta and GoGo just launched a “wireless IFE” on the new A220 that is basically just a customized Android tablet sucking down/streaming the IFE stuff from a server either in the back of the plane or from satellites using the 2k WiFi system (likely the server on the plane, but admittedly I haven’t looked into the tech specifics), which is designed to be modular for this reason.

Plus, if you’re not reliant on the IFE boxes under the seats (which the Linux/BusyBox units were), you can do a lot of the processing and serving and network stuff on the device rather than having to have those outated and expensive to upgrade computers in each row. Probably just a cheap to get a capricituve screen 10” tablet screen with a Mediatek quad-core professor and 2GB of RAM as if would be to get one “naked” too.

Re: American Airlines Has Cameras in Their Screens Too

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How can you have privacy concerns in a completely public space?

"To continue watching your in-flight movie, please watch this ad, note looking away from the screen will pause the ad while we wait for your gaze to return." That is an entirely realistic scenario, patents have been granted for this already. Regardless of an expectation of privacy it is potentially a terrible UX as well.

Spotify already does that, except with volume.

If you turn down your volume too much on your phone, it pauses the advert and demands to raise volume to continue.

Re: American Airlines Has Cameras in Their Screens Too

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"To continue watching your in-flight movie, please watch this ad, note looking away from the screen will pause the ad while we wait for your gaze to return." That is an entirely realistic scenario, patents have been granted for this already. Regardless of an expectation of privacy it is potentially a terrible UX as well.

That's when you bring your own tablet with some downloaded movies. I mean, yeah, it's conceivable that someone could try that. It is also conceivable that it would fail miserably.

It is also conceivable that it becomes the new normal and we slide further into our dystopian capitalist future.

Re: American Airlines Has Cameras in Their Screens Too

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How can you have privacy concerns in a completely public space?

If I'm walking around, say, the Grand Canyon, you know, up top looking down. If someone is walking around filming a travel vlog and I happen to get filmed, ok, so what? Right? But if they run up and shove the camera in my face without asking for permission, that becomes rude and I should absolutely have some say in it. If I'm in an airline, I should have some say if there's going to be a camera facing me the ... enti…

Depends in what country you are. Don't need your permission in the USA or the UK.

Re: American Airlines Has Cameras in Their Screens Too

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"To continue watching your in-flight movie, please watch this ad, note looking away from the screen will pause the ad while we wait for your gaze to return." That is an entirely realistic scenario, patents have been granted for this already. Regardless of an expectation of privacy it is potentially a terrible UX as well.

That's when you bring your own tablet with some downloaded movies. I mean, yeah, it's conceivable that someone could try that. It is also conceivable that it would fail miserably.

Nah, that's when you bring you "I'm paying attention"-mask to pretend you're paying attention.

Re: American Airlines Has Cameras in Their Screens Too

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post #8

Most of these are just COTS Android tablets. When they reboot the IFE, you sometimes see the Android soft home/menu button on the bottom. It's easy enough to repair, too -- just apply some opaque tape to the camera.

Some of them allow you to get to the home/menu button by swiping up from the bottom of the screen.

Re: American Airlines Has Cameras in Their Screens Too

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How can you have privacy concerns in a completely public space?

I'm paying lots of money to be there. It seems like it's in an airline's best interests to not piss off customers by secretly filming them (or even appearing to have the capability to do so), given how creepy it seems to many people. Unlike "completely public spaces", it's not free to be on an airplane. You can vote with your wallet in this situation.

Exactly. Also, it’s techbcially “private” space which means they can record you, but there needs to be a notice somewhere. I’m sure there’s something hidden in the air passenger terms of service or whatever, but still!

Re: American Airlines Has Cameras in Their Screens Too

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I understand why airlines and other industries are using off-the-shelf parts; I actually prefer this because it gets us closer to more modular IFE systems like what Delta/GoGo are doing on the A220, which means airlines can conceivably upgrade their IFE systems more frequently and at lower costs. What I don’t understand is why there aren’t commodify parts available sans cameras, given the myriad of use-cases and the…

It makes one question if there was an ulterior motive.

That or complete disconnect with customer priorities (oh, they won't care).

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