Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

reuters.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 183 posts

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

#31

Post by poilcn »

beezischillin wrote: post #3

This is sad and disgusting, our speech is being limited completely unfairly and without our consent and we're being told that it's a good thing. The fact that they're trying to package it as some sort of well-deserved revenge against silicon valley big tech is just tasteless. The EU's big gripe against these companies is their tax situation, if they really wanted to change that then they'd be looking into a unified a…

Well, it isn't surprising if you consider that the European Union was build based on an organization called « European Coal and Steel Community ». Basically Coal-Steel syndicate controlled by European Oligarchs. That's the nature of the EU.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

#32

Post by [deleted] »

flexie wrote: post #29
beezischillin wrote: post #3

This is sad and disgusting, our speech is being limited completely unfairly and without our consent and we're being told that it's a good thing. The fact that they're trying to package it as some sort of well-deserved revenge against silicon valley big tech is just tasteless. The EU's big gripe against these companies is their tax situation, if they really wanted to change that then they'd be looking into a unified a…

Don't frame this as a free speech issue. Freedom of speech is as protected in the EU as it is in the US, possibly more. Freedom of speech in Europe is not just an EU question, but also - and mainly - up to constitutions and legislation of the member states. So of course it varies. But there is less surveillance in Europe on what citizens say online, European media is less centralized than American, there are more par…

[deleted]

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

#33

Post by kmlx »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #23

Does anyone have a link to the actual law? All I can find are news stories with too little information.

i assume ther are multiple drafts and such based on various negotiations. here’s a press release that features one draft: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018...

but i found the wikipedia article to be very informative: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_Copyright_in_th...

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

#34

Post by wbxrs »

flexie wrote: post #29
beezischillin wrote: post #3

This is sad and disgusting, our speech is being limited completely unfairly and without our consent and we're being told that it's a good thing. The fact that they're trying to package it as some sort of well-deserved revenge against silicon valley big tech is just tasteless. The EU's big gripe against these companies is their tax situation, if they really wanted to change that then they'd be looking into a unified a…

Don't frame this as a free speech issue. Freedom of speech is as protected in the EU as it is in the US, possibly more. Freedom of speech in Europe is not just an EU question, but also - and mainly - up to constitutions and legislation of the member states. So of course it varies. But there is less surveillance in Europe on what citizens say online, European media is less centralized than American, there are more par…

>Don't frame this as a free speech issue. Freedom of speech is as protected in the EU as it is in the US, possibly more.

Yeah, no. This (blasphemy laws) would be unthinkable in the US:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/its-not-fr...

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

#35

Post by microcolonel »

josteink wrote: post #8

Let’s be optimistic. This will severely impact social media. It will be censored like never before, and attacking opponents by “reporting” their posts will be more effective than ever. Trolls will have a EU-sanctioned field-day. And what real users are going to bother staying on a platform like that? Maybe this will revitalize hosting of personal websites where there’s no “platform” to censor your free speech?

> Maybe this will revitalize hosting of personal websites where there’s no “platform” to censor your free speech?

Then you have basically unlimited liability, as far as I can tell; hardly seems like an upside.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

#36

Post by kretor »

judge2020 wrote: post #28
porpoisely wrote: post #16

This is what I despise about "news". If this was china or russia or venezuela, etc, the headline would be "China tightens grip on their people" or "International community concerned as China becomes more authoritarian" or "Pro freedom activists protest against China's draconian censorship". It would be spun as something more ominous than "reform". But reuters being reuters and also a major supporter of censorship, of…

Take this with a grain of salt since it's their own website, but Youtube themselves say they wouldn't be able to let any content on their platform stay up even if it slightly resembled copyrighted content. Think the current Content ID system times 10. https://www.youtube.com/saveyourinternet/ https://youtube-creators.googleblog.com/2018/10/a-final-upda...

The webpage you linked is from last year I think. Article 13 has since been updated

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

#37

Post by microcolonel »

izacus wrote: post #4

Huh? If anything, the reform codifies systems like Content ID and makes it horribly expensive to compete with Google and Facebook. And all that to cater to US copyright industry - a fine example of EU shooting itself in the foot.

> ...makes it horribly expensive to compete with Google and Facebook

And despite this, YouTube thinks that even their incredibly sophisticated rights management system is too lenient to comply with Article 13 and not be subject to immense damages.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

#38

Post by ypolito »

izacus wrote: post #4

Huh? If anything, the reform codifies systems like Content ID and makes it horribly expensive to compete with Google and Facebook. And all that to cater to US copyright industry - a fine example of EU shooting itself in the foot.

If their automated systems can't work properly, they shall be fined/taxed accordingly per infringement.

Alternatively they can pay workers or have knowledgeable volunteers pre-moderate the user submitted content before it appears publicly.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

#39

Post by josteink »

microcolonel wrote: post #35
josteink wrote: post #8

Let’s be optimistic. This will severely impact social media. It will be censored like never before, and attacking opponents by “reporting” their posts will be more effective than ever. Trolls will have a EU-sanctioned field-day. And what real users are going to bother staying on a platform like that? Maybe this will revitalize hosting of personal websites where there’s no “platform” to censor your free speech?

> Maybe this will revitalize hosting of personal websites where there’s no “platform” to censor your free speech? Then you have basically unlimited liability, as far as I can tell; hardly seems like an upside.

No, not unless you allow user uploads from other users.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

#40

Post by microcolonel »

DanTheManPR wrote: post #22
phoe-krk wrote: post #2

They are supposedly aimed at Google and Facebook but have enough range to burn most of other services in the European Internet in the process.

This seems to me like it will have exactly the opposite intended effect, that the large players are the only ones who will be able to operate under this new regulatory burden.

> ...the large players are the only ones who will be able to operate under this new regulatory burden.

And even YouTube is pretty sure they'll struggle to comply, despite having the most sophisticated and error-resistant rights management system on the market.

Post reply on HN