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Stop Saying, ‘We Take Your Privacy and Security Seriously’

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Re: Stop Saying, ‘We Take Your Privacy and Security Seriously’

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Post by dkersten »

megous wrote: post #57
dkersten wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I was actually trying to find something like this too... maybe its time I looked into how to write browser plugins myself, but I have too many other projects right now.

I have a HN filter userscript for this purpose: https://megous.com/dl/hn.js If you filter most of the news websites, and other pointless crap, HN gets pretty technical again.

Thank you!

I've just tried it out, works great. I'm not using quite as strict a filter as you are, basically Oath sites, medium and known paywalled sites. I will add to it as I go :)

Re: Stop Saying, ‘We Take Your Privacy and Security Seriously’

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Post by ohithereyou »

titzer wrote: post #24
vntok wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tracking cookies provide incommensurable value to site owners for improving the quality of their web properties, which ultimately benefits users. Example abound: finding out where people are the most frustrated (high exit rates), what content drives the most interest (page views), what content is missing or inaccurate (high bounce rate and low visit duration for visitors coming from Google), how they are using the si…

Or you could, you know, ask . I feel like people have some kind of allergic reaction to sitting down with people and actually getting a person's perspective. It's slow. It takes time. It costs money. But you know, UX professionals do this. In fact, product designers do this. I think the model where we'll just watch everyone all the time and treat them like lab rats and that somehow the "data" is going to give us insi…

>I feel like people have some kind of allergic reaction to sitting down with people and actually getting a person's perspective. It's slow. It takes time. It costs money.

They may also tell you things that you don't want to hear: that your website doesn't have good content, your navigation sucks in the following ways, etc. This sort of feedback makes you look incompetent when you collate it and then send it in a report to a manager.

Re: Stop Saying, ‘We Take Your Privacy and Security Seriously’

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Post by jimmy1 »

kilburn wrote: post #66
majewsky wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is possible to verify real users without training the AI models of monopolist webcompanies. Honest question: How?

I'm pretty sure that "verify real users" was about captchas. Solving that problem in general is probably impossible, I grant you that. However, reaching a good-enough solution for a particular site is often doable. In increasing order of strictness and complexity: - Use hidden/visible field shenanigans - Ask questions your audience should be able to answer (chess-captchas, maths-questions, etc.) - Require registratio…

If you can think of it, someone can make a computer automate it.

Re: Stop Saying, ‘We Take Your Privacy and Security Seriously’

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Post by cr1895 »

orlp wrote: post #46

You enter a coffee shop. Before you can do anything, the owner takes a photo of you, and grabs your hand to take your finger print. He quickly writes down the date, time and what clothes you are wearing. He gives you a smile as he starts his speech. "Before we continue, we at Coffee City want you to know we deeply value your privacy. We need your permission to store your information, improve your coffee experience, p…

>while navigating the 20 windows needed to reject all consent.

I think that actually is a violation of GDPR, not that it's any less common to encounter.

Re: Stop Saying, ‘We Take Your Privacy and Security Seriously’

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Post by jacquesm »

emilis_info wrote: post #5

Also stop saying "Before you go further..." we need to share your data with tens of corporations. /s Note to non-EU users: Techcrunch is completely blocking the page with a popup asking me to share my location and behavioral data (for advertising purposes) with a probably very long list of companies (something called "Oath" family). The logos shown are for Yahoo, Aol, Autoblog, Huffpost and Engadget. Nah. I'll skip a…

Not only that, they also keep asking you on every repeat visit but click 'ok' once accidentally and they will file that forever and never present you with the option to withdraw your consent.

Re: Stop Saying, ‘We Take Your Privacy and Security Seriously’

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Post by jakelazaroff »

jimmy1 wrote: post #83
kilburn wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure that "verify real users" was about captchas. Solving that problem in general is probably impossible, I grant you that. However, reaching a good-enough solution for a particular site is often doable. In increasing order of strictness and complexity: - Use hidden/visible field shenanigans - Ask questions your audience should be able to answer (chess-captchas, maths-questions, etc.) - Require registratio…

If you can think of it, someone can make a computer automate it.

"To prove you're human, read this source code and determine whether the program will halt" :)

Re: Stop Saying, ‘We Take Your Privacy and Security Seriously’

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Post by Nursie »

emilis_info wrote: post #5

Also stop saying "Before you go further..." we need to share your data with tens of corporations. /s Note to non-EU users: Techcrunch is completely blocking the page with a popup asking me to share my location and behavioral data (for advertising purposes) with a probably very long list of companies (something called "Oath" family). The logos shown are for Yahoo, Aol, Autoblog, Huffpost and Engadget. Nah. I'll skip a…

Yeah, they're about the worst I've encountered. Good luck finding any privacy controls, or opting out of anything. Clicking into the pages that claim to contain these just sends you down a warren of links, mostly taking you to the parent website where there's another warren of links.

I hope their practices come under fire from the EU before long.

Re: Stop Saying, ‘We Take Your Privacy and Security Seriously’

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Post by the_other »

ohithereyou wrote: post #82
titzer wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you could, you know, ask . I feel like people have some kind of allergic reaction to sitting down with people and actually getting a person's perspective. It's slow. It takes time. It costs money. But you know, UX professionals do this. In fact, product designers do this. I think the model where we'll just watch everyone all the time and treat them like lab rats and that somehow the "data" is going to give us insi…

>I feel like people have some kind of allergic reaction to sitting down with people and actually getting a person's perspective. It's slow. It takes time. It costs money. They may also tell you things that you don't want to hear: that your website doesn't have good content, your navigation sucks in the following ways, etc. This sort of feedback makes you look incompetent when you collate it and then send it in a repo…

Easily solved:

- sketch out the new design

- add the UX interview report as supporting evidence to the design

- send the design (rather than the report) to the manager.

Total reversal of the situation. You have documented evidence of your proactive approach.

(edited for formatting)

Re: Stop Saying, ‘We Take Your Privacy and Security Seriously’

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Post by ausjke »

I must chime in on this subject.

To take a community college course, the application online form is asking pretty much every piece of your info, birthday, SSN, family income, ethnicity, future plan, current situation, home address, many personal preference, phone, email, immigration status, marriage status, gender, education background, military background, job experience, you name it. Nearly all of them are mandatory. Anyone can get hold of this record pretty much owns you.

Why do they need all this for just taking a course that I'm going to pay by credit card?

This is not uncommon in other areas, in the future we may need provide our DNA code as an attachment? talking about privacy protection is a joke these days.

Re: Stop Saying, ‘We Take Your Privacy and Security Seriously’

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Post by phishfi »

emilis_info wrote: post #5

Also stop saying "Before you go further..." we need to share your data with tens of corporations. /s Note to non-EU users: Techcrunch is completely blocking the page with a popup asking me to share my location and behavioral data (for advertising purposes) with a probably very long list of companies (something called "Oath" family). The logos shown are for Yahoo, Aol, Autoblog, Huffpost and Engadget. Nah. I'll skip a…

For those who don't know, Oath is Verizon.
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