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Falsehoods Programmers Believe About Phone Numbers (2016)

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I see a lot of hate for companies using phone for verification the real hate should be directed towards att, Verizon because they are double handedly setting the entire world back. If a phone doesn't do what they want- they wont sell it and it will lose a lucrative market.

Phone numbers as they are today should be dead. The world is connected using internet and there should. Be a new standard for "call identity" which should be cross region.

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post #105

I would, from personal experience, construct a quite different list. Some of mine would be: * Every other country's telephone numbering is like one's own. * Every other country's telephone numbering is like that of EU countries, or like the NANP. * The last 10 digits are the subscriber number. * Geographic numbers are actually geographic. * 123456789 is a perfectly fine number to use for test calls. * STD is exactly…

> Calls can only be traced whilst the caller is on the line.

You just punched a hole in the plot of every procedural crime drama. :)

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IF the description of the falsehood includes the line "Obviously, this isn't necessarily true." I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that programmers don't really believe it - at any rate I would like documentation of programmers believing that people have only one phone number. ¨´

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I would personally add one (maybe I'll do a PR): Phone number formats never change for a particular country. Vietnam just removed a few months ago one digit of all the mobile phones making all the previous number recorded for the country invalid.

Also "each country has a single format".

Belgium uses 9 digits (leading 0 included) for landlines and 10 digits (leading 0 included) for cell phones.

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post #92
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Line is the worse violator of these principles. Last I used it, in order to install it on another device, you had to back up all that device's data (contacts, etc) to a computer, put your account on another device which then triggers a non negotiable wipe of the other device's data whenever it connects to the internet, then download the backup to your new device. Hell.

The first of the two bad thing about Line is that connection to a phone number. Wife got a new iPad, and, because of the other bad thing - that Line only works on a single device - it had to be 'moved' to the new iPad. Which needs a confirmation by phone message. And that phone was in Japan, unlike my wife, and wouldn't have worked for text messages even if she had brought it (phone plan didn't allow international ca…

All these problems would be solved if they allowed us to use Google voice number. It is a number that's attached to my email and one that I won't discard (assuming I would lose it due to in activity). But no. Even Uber doesn't allow me to use a Google voice number.

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#137
Hah! I used to do a lot of telco work. This led me to basically assume nothing about phone numbers.

What got me, was that people working at the telco used to give us requirements that clearly indicated that the telco people entertained a lot of falsehoods about phone numbers too!

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I have/had a Facebook account with a phone number. The account was left unused for a few years. Recently, I used my E-mail to reset its password, unfortunately, since the account was abandoned for a long time, the system flagged my activity as "suspicious" automatically, and asks me for confirmation using my phone number. But I no longer own that number. And from the customer Q&A forum, I realized I was not the only…

I do wonder how EU's "right to be forgotten" comes into the play here. Could it be used in your case?

Eu's GDPR defines several rights and obligations, one of which is :

Personal data shall be [...] accurate and, where necessary, kept up to date; every reasonable step must be taken to ensure that personal data that are inaccurate, having regard to the purposes for which they are processed, are erased or rectified without delay (‘accuracy’);

OP could contact Facebook's Data Protection Officer, that they are required to have, and demand that his data is fixed. A complaint can also be filed to the relevant country's Data Protection Authority if needed (I've done it with some success).

Re: Falsehoods Programmers Believe About Phone Numbers (2016)

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I have/had a Facebook account with a phone number. The account was left unused for a few years. Recently, I used my E-mail to reset its password, unfortunately, since the account was abandoned for a long time, the system flagged my activity as "suspicious" automatically, and asks me for confirmation using my phone number. But I no longer own that number. And from the customer Q&A forum, I realized I was not the only…

Storytime: I bounce between Japan and Korea for work. I was in Seoul for about a year and a half and naturally had a Korean phone number. I used this number to sign up for Line (a popular chat service in the two countries), and I also linked my email address to the account. So when it was time to move back to Japan, I naturally canceled my Korean phone service. Fast forward 6 months, and my Line account suddenly disa…

This is why I'm not a fan of mobile apps that force you to use your number. Sadly the most popular apps all the cool kids are using (your friends) are the most inconvenient in some regards. I wish Signal would let me use an email instead so I can use it from a tablet, but they insist on keeping my phone number instead. Signal made sense to use with phone numbers when they encrypted SMS but they no longer do messaging without data so it makes no sense to me.

Re: Falsehoods Programmers Believe About Phone Numbers (2016)

#140

>1. An individual has a phone number Requiring a phone number one way for me to ignore your website or service (ie, Signal) forever. But if you do it I'm probably not your target demographic anyway.

Requiring a phone number still reduces fraud a lot.
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