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A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behaviors

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Re: A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behaviors

#81

I don't believe this is an actual feature, but I've noticed a trend that I've been calling "twos", where, at any given moment, a particular subject (present as a word or phrase in the article's title) will show up twice on the front page. Funnily enough, currently the "twos" subject is "Hacker News", with this article and "What I've Learned from Hacker News" both being present in the front page at the same time.

I call birthday paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem

Number of all possible topics is N, number of news on FP is 30. For example if N is 365, you would expect 70% chance that two separate items on FP mention the same topic.

Although, HN recurrence probably a bigger contributor. When a person gets reminded of some previous highly upvoted link and re-submits it. The highly upvoted link gets upvoted again and now you have two items on FP with similar keywords.

Re: A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behaviors

#82

I don't believe this is an actual feature, but I've noticed a trend that I've been calling "twos", where, at any given moment, a particular subject (present as a word or phrase in the article's title) will show up twice on the front page. Funnily enough, currently the "twos" subject is "Hacker News", with this article and "What I've Learned from Hacker News" both being present in the front page at the same time.

I call birthday paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem Number of all possible topics is N, number of news on FP is 30. For example if N is 365, you would expect 70% chance that two separate items on FP mention the same topic. Although, HN recurrence probably a bigger contributor. When a person gets reminded of some previous highly upvoted link and re-submits it. The highly upvoted link gets upvoted a…

This only works if your sample space is small, whereas I'd argue the range of topics that can show up on Hacker News is nothing but ;)

Re: A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behaviors

#83
post #80

Just one comment about vouch, which seems to have have changed behaviour fairly recently. Used to be that if a shadowbanned user posted a clearly substantive comment a vouch would always (nearly always?) restore it. Now it never does - I guess vouch is now just a vote that needs x votes. Suspect that's going to unintentionally have even more people talking to themselves, because they've not yet noticed the shadowban.

they notify you when you get banned. i’m currently one of them. I didn’t notice for a few days though because the site doesn’t have an obvious way of notifying you when you get a reply.

I've found https://www.hnreplies.com to be pretty useful.

Re: A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behaviors

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re. comments lingering high based on account karma, I've suggested the same but dang says not. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16441687 Perhaps such remarks are retaining position by their own merit. An experienced or high quality commentator may simply produce remarks that are better received.

I don't know what to say other than there is something going on behinds the scenes that can be seen in play in this thread. My comment is 1 minute newer than another comment in this thread. My comment currently hasn't been upvoted yet is several spots higher in the thread. I tried upvoting the other comment and mine was still higher. My account has almost twice the karma and is older than the author of the other comm…

I upvoted your remark and it immediately dropped down the page. Evidently I am typhoid mary for unfavourable comment ranking...

Joking aside, dang specifically denies there is a comment ranking adjustment due to account karma, but not other factors (such as account age, an unseen reputation field, your IP address/choice of web browser/#{1/user.name.size}).

We are the blind to Hacker News's elephant in this.

Re: A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behaviors

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post #76
post #6

My only wish is that dupes weren't marked as dupes. It's not like you are submitting with the intention of creating a duplicate link (normally), it should just take you there instead of a [dupe] mark on your submission.

I'd like to see a "rolling thread" feature where dupe threads (and links) are automatically merged into an existing thread, with older comments and subthreads being deleted over time. Hacker News doesn't do a good job of avoiding duplicates anyway, might as well make that a feature.

> with older comments and subthreads being deleted over time

No, don't delete comments! Hide them if you must, but I always like being able to enjoy and send people link to comments from years ago.

Re: A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behaviors

#86
post #73

Just one comment about vouch, which seems to have have changed behaviour fairly recently. Used to be that if a shadowbanned user posted a clearly substantive comment a vouch would always (nearly always?) restore it. Now it never does - I guess vouch is now just a vote that needs x votes. Suspect that's going to unintentionally have even more people talking to themselves, because they've not yet noticed the shadowban.

It is possible to lose vouching privileges if the mods feel the comments you're vouching for are uncivil or do more harm than good.

That's also possible. Don't think I have vouched for something that shouldn't, but I would say that, wouldn't I? :)

So have others noticed a change, or did I accidentally flag my own account somehow?

Re: A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behaviors

#87
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

user: mereel created: July 21, 2017 karma: 250 You guys don't have to be mean…

Hahaha now I'm at 271

Nice! Consider this your rare opportunity to talk about your karma without repercussion. Don't make it a habit, though; I'm sure you have better things to talk about anyways ;)

Re: A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behaviors

#88
post #75

Pretty cool report. Personally all I want is to be able to change my username, even if it means emailing and waiting a few days.

Agreed, this would be nice to add. However, it would have been easier if everyone's primary identifier was a number, and a name was just an associated field. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that it was set up this way. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Anybody known if emailing the mods will let this happen?

Emailing the mods seems like a great way to know the answer to your question :)

Re: A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behaviors

#89

>Likewise, topics around diversity and inclusion in tech have gained lots of visibility over the past few years. However, despite these discussions not being off-topic, they tend to be flagged to death by users regardless. Time to see see if mentioning this very clear behavior gets this link flagged/killed. Privileged people usually don't like having their privilege challenged.

One of the best ways to get downvoted is to predict in advance why you'll be downvoted! In this case you appear to be setting up a narrative to claim downvoters are evidence of a particular ideological point, when instead they might be downvoting you because you're being a jerk.

This really does bug me. The whole "if-you-downvote-me-you're-a-jerk" sorta makes me want to, even if the comment itself has some kind of decent reasoning. With that said, i can also be frustrating when people downvote to invisibility things that are not wrong but with which they disagree.

Re: A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behaviors

#90
post #59

The ranking algorithm also isn't some simple votes/time metric. The flame war detector for posts is an example that is mentioned, but there are also some undocumented complexities on the comment side too. An obvious one is brand new comments get a huge boost in the rankings compared to older comments. It is pretty common to see a few minute old comment at the top of a lot of comment threads. It also seems user reputa…

Re. comments lingering high based on account karma, I've suggested the same but dang says not. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16441687 Perhaps such remarks are retaining position by their own merit. An experienced or high quality commentator may simply produce remarks that are better received.

Experienced or high quality commentators are significantly more likely to create comments that other Hacker News users are willing to upvote–I'm not sure that this translates to higher quality material, though.
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