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Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by minimaxir » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 9:46 PM UTC

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

> but what else do you do here?

For your example ("the same kind of videos my own sisters would shoot with our dad's camcorder") there are two remedies:

1) Upload the video as unlisted, so it will not appear in recommendation systems and you can send the link to your friends/family.

2) Disable comments on the video.

Public content is a bit more dangerous to leave unchecked in 2019 than in 2009.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by nopriorarrests » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 9:46 PM UTC

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

>but what else do you do here?

I don't have an answer, but considering the size of Disney and Nestle cumulative marketing budget, youtube engineers will be hard pressed to do something.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by Apocryphon » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 9:48 PM UTC

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

Monetizing mundane home videos with ads is a creepy and bizarre concept to begin with.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by riffic » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 9:48 PM UTC

justinsaccount wrote: post #3

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

> Ban kids Yes.

How about we turn it up a notch and also take a stab at malnourishment and overpopulation? A young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by post_break » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 9:48 PM UTC

YouTube only seems to do something when it's a controversy and Ad dollars are on the line. Putting out fire after fire I don't know how the CEO keeps her job. Daddyofive, weird children ASMR, elsa-gate, algorithm being 2 clicks away from weird obscure kid videos.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by hombre_fatal » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 9:48 PM UTC

minimaxir wrote: post #11

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

> but what else do you do here? For your example ("the same kind of videos my own sisters would shoot with our dad's camcorder") there are two remedies: 1) Upload the video as unlisted, so it will not appear in recommendation systems and you can send the link to your friends/family. 2) Disable comments on the video. Public content is a bit more dangerous to leave unchecked in 2019 than in 2009.

Sure, but that's an uploader's decision they can already make today. It didn't prevent this drama.

The suggestion here is that Youtube should do something about it, and I'm asking what that solution specifically looks like.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by anth_anm » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 9:49 PM UTC

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

Some posted a video of a guy who was making this same sort of video, but about a 13 year old doing ASMR.

That's actually creepy.

I don't think we can stop pedos leering at kids online. In person you can tell them to get lost or call the cops.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by dontbenebby » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 9:49 PM UTC

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

>I'm sure these videos do attract some weirdos in the comments, and in the next paragraph Youtube says that they want to moderate that activity, but what else do you do here? Ban kids uploading a video of their innocent pool party because some creeps might enjoy it? What about topless babies?

What about the rights of the children? Maybe they should have the right to wait and decide, upon adulthood, whether they want to share these videos rather than have their parents blithely allow weirdos to leer at and comment on them.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by jerf » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 9:49 PM UTC

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

"Ban kids uploading a video of their innocent pool party because some creeps might enjoy it?"

Given everything else YouTube already does, I seriously, no sarcasm, don't see this as a particularly problematic solution. As ceejayoz pointed out, there's some thorny consent issues involved here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19209766 (ceejayoz' point isn't much larger than my summary of it, but I wanted to give credit. I think it's a good point.)

Sometimes scale brings things like this. I have to admit giving a smaller, specialty service a niche to exist in doesn't exactly bother me, either.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by dleslie » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 9:49 PM UTC

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

The issue isn't so much the content of the videos; for the most part, they could be altogether innocent and within the guidelines that YouTube, and the law, requires. The issue is the community that has developed around them.

> Ban kids uploading a video of their innocent pool party because some creeps might enjoy it? What about topless babies?

The children are unable to agree to the terms and conditions set forth by YouTube, and sadly, there is a possibility that their parent or guardian is aware of the exploitative nature of the community.

So, perhaps yes?