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Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by Tehchops »

vkou wrote: post #235
Tehchops wrote: post #130

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Absolutely not. We don't want union cruft within a hundred miles of tech. It's already far too hard to shed incompetent people.

I don't want corporate politics and all the worst parts of MBA culture within a hundred miles of tech, yet here we are. Solidarity is the only way that workers can negotiate on an even playing field.

>I don't want corporate politics and all the worst parts of MBA culture within a hundred miles of tech, yet here we are.

If you think politics isn't an implicit reality of any organized group of human beings, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by amzn-sdethrow »

wapoamspomw wrote: post #365
amzn_throwaway7 wrote: post #335

The author of the article posted their Amazon user name, so I decided to look them up. I'll start with raw data, and then inject my own thoughts: * The author is the bottom contributor on his team by a large margin. Their few contributions are primarily configuration changes and pixel pushes. * The author hasn't made any contributions since last August, likely due to a leave of absence * The author's manager has rece…

I imagine the number of people who today looked up Oleg's commits and his manager's survey results is in low single digits. I don't think you are being as "throw away" as you think here.

Why do you think looking up someone's code commit history should have negative repurcussions? Every tech employee within the company has access to this information. Same with the tech survey that lets you see a manager's results.

As an Amazon employee, I'm interested in seeing how much credence this story has and how much I should support the author's cause. I clearly don't know the details, but what I can see gives me pause (not original author you replied to)

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by Consultant32452 »

RodericDay wrote: post #278
org3432 wrote: post #49

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Yep, couldn't agree more despite the down votes on my previous post. The picture that we like to paint about how companies work is far from the reality, you have play by the real unwritten rules.

It's funny how you guys take some kind of pride in maneuvering what to an outsider obviously sounds like a dystopian-style bureaucratic nightmare of unevenly applied laws and insider-connections. Rather than fight to change or improve this system, you gloat about knowing how to survive in it. So strange.

This is how you fight to change systems when you're ultimately powerless to do so directly, by subverting the system. The only real power we have is to collectively agree to make the data/system useless.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by t1o5 »

atombender wrote: post #317
t1o5 wrote: post #96

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LMIA seems like a balance. In LMIA, the employer is made to test the local labour market before applying for a visa, rather than an LCA in which the USCIS trusts the employer's word.

The LCA process also forces the employer to test the labor market first. It's all theater, and based on 20 year-old business practices (you have to publish your job ad in a major newspaper and some other places, of which one option is to have it be read out loud by a local radio station!), but it's not like you can skip through that process. How does LMIA compare here?

I have been through LCA some years back before I called bullshit on H1B and immigrated to Canada for good. For LCA, the advertisement was done on a local newspaper which no one reads and the job was posted on the company pantry notice board with a broad confusing salary range 65K - 130K. It was also posted on the company's career page where no one could find it easily. The employer that I worked for was a top 10. They were just playing the system to bring in cheap H1B workers on chains.

LMIA on the other hand, has advertisement requirements like LCA and a transition plan as well. They are particularly strict on the transition plan including one of which is assisting the worker for permanent residence !

https://meurrensonimmigration.com/service-canada-transition-...

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by Consultant32452 »

skookumchuck wrote: post #438
eropple wrote: post #377

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Strongly disagree, and I've got hiring evidence on my side (former subordinates going to work for friends, and said subordinates didn't know of the relationship) after airing some pretty reasonable grievances when I hired then and when they worked with me. Of course, there's a scale. "I don't like their tech decisions"--yeah, that's an eyebrow raise, unless there's some real meat there. But I'm never going to judge s…

It doesn't matter if their grievances are legitimate or not (and you have no way to tell if they are). It's bad form to trash talk one's former employer or ex. It's not just me. You will often talk yourself out of getting hired and many will not pursue a relationship with you if you indulge in it. There is nothing to gain by engaging in it.

It's not just you. Virtually every article I've read on interview tips gives this same advice. Speaking negatively about your former employer always reflects negatively on you.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by btilly »

vxNsr wrote: post #407
btilly wrote: post #366

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I lose respect for any man who cheats on his wife, no matter the reason... That's some sanctimonious bullshit. There is zero public information indicating any cheating. We know that there was a trial separation. We don't know what agreements there were. We do know that the divorce is being presented as being amiable. My attitude is that if his soon to be ex wife is not upset, then random strangers like yourself have…

I thought Bezos admitted to cheating in his medium post.

Read it again. What Bezos said there is in line with the TMZ article. Yes, he had the relationship. There is no indication that he broke any agreements with his ex-wife.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by all_blue_chucks »

not_kurt_godel wrote: post #412
all_blue_chucks wrote: post #296

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Glass door either only shows base salaries or is completely out of touch with tech companies. Sure, the lone "web developer" at a small nonprofit might make $80k, but at a FAANG? Please.

Microsoft hires junior engineers out of college at ~$80k in Seattle. FAANG might be a bit higher, especially with COL in the Bay Area, but plenty of people get hired by the big companies in that range.

They don't get bonuses or RSUs??

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by atombender »

t1o5 wrote: post #484
atombender wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The LCA process also forces the employer to test the labor market first. It's all theater, and based on 20 year-old business practices (you have to publish your job ad in a major newspaper and some other places, of which one option is to have it be read out loud by a local radio station!), but it's not like you can skip through that process. How does LMIA compare here?

I have been through LCA some years back before I called bullshit on H1B and immigrated to Canada for good. For LCA, the advertisement was done on a local newspaper which no one reads and the job was posted on the company pantry notice board with a broad confusing salary range 65K - 130K. It was also posted on the company's career page where no one could find it easily. The employer that I worked for was a top 10. The…

Thanks. That sounds like LCA in terms of testing the labour market, though. What did you mean by "the USCIS trusts the employer's word"?

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by vkou »

Tehchops wrote: post #481
vkou wrote: post #235

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I don't want corporate politics and all the worst parts of MBA culture within a hundred miles of tech, yet here we are. Solidarity is the only way that workers can negotiate on an even playing field.

>I don't want corporate politics and all the worst parts of MBA culture within a hundred miles of tech, yet here we are. If you think politics isn't an implicit reality of any organized group of human beings, I've got a bridge to sell you.

I do think it is an implicit reality of any organized group of human beings, which is why I want a group that does it on my behalf, not just one that does it against my behalf.

One may not like militarism, but even the most extreme anarcho-libertarians see the benefit in having a military to protect them.

Unions are the same way. They are the only way you, as an employee, can meaningfully protect yourself.

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