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Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by dodobirdlord »

canttestthis wrote: post #380
amzn_throwaway7 wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had considered that. This is common in AWS or Lab126, but I've never seen that be the case in Retail. Edit: Missed the part about permissions, that's totally possible, but at least in publicly visible contributions, he is way behind his teammates.

The more I hear about Retail the more it seems like its a bad place to be.

There are jokes about "retiring to retail" among more senior engineers in AWS. There are a lot of older low-activity codebases where the pace is slower and someone senior can essentially retire-in-place. There's also a massive diversity of teams in retail. But yea, as far as I can tell most everyone would rather work in AWS, and nobody in AWS seems to seriously consider the possibility of transferring to a team in retail.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by known »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #2

" I left a negative feedback about my manager Uwais Khan in the daily “Amazon Connect” survey. Amazon Connect team sent to me the report showing how my manager can calculate my answer. At our 1:1 meeting, Khan prohibited me to leave feedback in the system. Since then oppression started. Khan asked me to work on weekends. Then he asked HR how to prevent me from immigration benefits (not informing me about that)." "My…

Call 911; Seriously it works like a charm;

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by amztawy_1190 »

Word of advice to anyone. Don’t complain about your boss, in any company, very few cases it will end up in your favor. Second, never complain to HR. As Oleg said, HR is to protect the company, not you.

I’m very saddened it ended up this way. I don’t know the full story so I can’t judge. But if even half of what he says is true, everyone involved should be fired.

Having that said, I work for AWS and pretty happy but I’m very concerned I keep hearing cases like this in the media. Maybe when the dust is settled I’ll try to take apply to his team and this will give me an excuse to see their culture from first hand. So far all employees I personally know didn’t have similar issues, but maybe I’m just lucky.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by kamaal »

watwut wrote: post #429
kamaal wrote: post #397

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>>Never submit negative feedback via "anonymous" or "confidential" feedback processes at work Never give feedback at work, unless positive. This includes things like code review. The dirty little secret of human relationships is every one wants to be made to feel special, error less and look good. Only thing any kind of feed back, correction or criticism leads to is rivalry/enmity, and it won't end well. The question…

Not every workplace is as sociopathic. And I would rather emulate people who have ethical limits rather then those who seek power regarless of how much they lie or cause harm .

Every workplace is made up of Human structures, and humans act as humans.

I'm only suggesting you shield yourself from problems, not create the problems yourself.

Getting yourself immunity isn't exactly wrong.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

ethbro wrote: post #195
setquk wrote: post #181

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I worked for a similarly horrible person many years ago. I was doing on call support for a bunch of Linux machines. Literally it was him and me left because the moment I started the other two engineers bailed. One went to work packing salad because it was a better job (big warning!) and the other one had a breakdown. So didn't get paid properly, argued mileage down to the mile, the clients and him constantly gave me…

Stories like this are important. Because sometimes the situation is bad for your boss too, the company is in financial straits, miscommunication, {insert other extenuating circumstances}. ... but sometimes your boss really is just an asshole, liar, alcoholic, and/or a sociopath. Never assume the later off the bat, but never completely discount the possibility either. Because it'll probably happen at least once in an…

> Because sometimes the situation is bad for your boss too, the company is in financial straits, miscommunication, {insert other extenuating circumstances}.

So? That's the boss's problem to deal with. You owe the company absolutely nothing beyond your contracted hours in exchange for your contracted salary.

I say this as an employer.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by pteraspidomorph »

tozeur wrote: post #394
amzn_throwaway7 wrote: post #335

The author of the article posted their Amazon user name, so I decided to look them up. I'll start with raw data, and then inject my own thoughts: * The author is the bottom contributor on his team by a large margin. Their few contributions are primarily configuration changes and pixel pushes. * The author hasn't made any contributions since last August, likely due to a leave of absence * The author's manager has rece…

How did you get access to a specific managers yearly feedback? That doesn’t seem normal that all managers’ feedback is publicly posted.

Either he's a higher up or the "engineer who installed the red button", to make a xkcd reference (I've been in that position myself - not at Amazon).

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by nf05papsjfVbc »

kamaal wrote: post #413
BOOSTERHIDROGEN wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any good resources how to give feedback in work/relationships?

Robert Greene's books: The 48 Laws of Power, The Art of Seduction, The 33 Strategies of War, The 50th Law, and The Laws of Human Nature. Stealing the Corner office by Brendan Reid Assorted works of Niccolo Machiavelli and Balatazar Gracian. It will be hard to impossible to make transition even after reading these books, but at least you can detect and avoid problems at work. Or at best set up a firewall around you. L…

I'm afraid I disagree with your last statement. It is possible that perhaps I've just been so fortunate that all the people I've ever come across are mostly similar in what they want from life. It seems to be the same all over the world: general well being, safety and security of their family and their future.

People disagree on priorities and not everyone's incentives are the same but I've never felt that by default people are bad. I'm no scientist (or sage) and just an average human. So, this is just how I see things and not based on expert scientific inquiry. Make of it what you will.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by akerro »

Worst protest for them would be when a lot of people left at the same time. Project would be slowed down, they would have problems hiring, people who stay would be overwhelmed and left later.

Protesting against amazon and still working there means nothing, because you're still doing job for them, which means you accept the state of things, despite not tolerating it at the same time.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by nf05papsjfVbc »

amzn_throwaway7 wrote: post #335

The author of the article posted their Amazon user name, so I decided to look them up. I'll start with raw data, and then inject my own thoughts: * The author is the bottom contributor on his team by a large margin. Their few contributions are primarily configuration changes and pixel pushes. * The author hasn't made any contributions since last August, likely due to a leave of absence * The author's manager has rece…

It's not good form to post such information publicly. Also, it probably is in violation of a few confidentiality clauses you signed. On top of that, this also violates the author's privacy.

Please consider removing this.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by madrox »

vviktor wrote: post #337
madrox wrote: post #164

Disclaimer: I currently work at Amazon as an SDM (I do not speak for the company). I've also worked a lot of other places. In my experience, bad managers can happen anywhere. I'm not going to take sides since all we have is a story told by an ex-employee who has every reason to be spiteful toward his former employer. The other side of this story is one we'll likely never hear. I do want to comment on the visa aspect…

WTF? Why it can't be simple "just go somewhere else"? Well, just go to some other country. I'm not saying it's easy, but why bang your head against the wall. Go somewhere else, and, if you really want, come back another time, through a different company or on different terms.

Imagine being in their shoes. Are you prepared to move to the other side of the globe on a moment’s notice if you’re unemployed? Do you have the funds to do that, such as moving your precious items, and breaking your lease? If you have a family, are you prepared for the impact it will have on them (this guy’s child has health care concerns)? What would you be prepared to put up with in order to avoid that?

Also, many just think of the US as home despite not being a citizen. Many who worked for me went to college here on a study visa. This is the only home they’ve known their adult life. They wouldn’t know the first thing about how to live if they went back to their native country.

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