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Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by darkpuma » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:13 AM UTC

taurath wrote: post #83

Scramblejams wrote: post #61

Amazon employee here, though I do not speak for the company. At any big company, your management chain is the #1 influence on the quality of your culture. My experience at Amazon has been extremely positive, but then my org head is a great guy, so it's all been in line with my expectations. I've also left critical feedback through the Amazon Connect survey for my immediate manager and not suffered for it. That manage…

That's always been the argument to people who are on the fence about Amazon: "I've heard some bad things, but haven't seen it in my department". Amazon, and the people that work on the "good" teams never seem to be terribly concerned about horrific reports, and I frequently wonder why that is. In companies I've worked for, had I heard about people crying at their desk and being forced to choose between their child's…

I heard reports of people crying at their desks at Amazon, but I never witnessed that. They cried in the bathrooms.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by sidcool » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:15 AM UTC

What makes people, especially managers, to act so shittily with people working 'under' them. I can't begin to imagine how crappy a person has to be to abuse power. Humans seriously cannot handle power.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by ardy42 » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:17 AM UTC

plainOldText wrote: post #114

ams6110 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"impartial arbitrator" No such thing. They are being paid by someone.

Speaking of payments: I was actually amazed to find out how much certain union leaders make. Some of them are in the top 1%, with yearly salaries of over $400,000. [1] [1] https://laborpains.org/2018/06/04/union-president-pay-watch-...

> Speaking of payments: I was actually amazed to find out how much certain union leaders make. Some of them are in the top 1%, with yearly salaries of over $400,000.

If you object that people in large-organization senior management roles can make that much, you won't believe what many corporate CEOs make. It'll blow your mind!

https://laborpains.org/:

> LaborPains is a joint blog of the Center for Union Facts and the Enterprise Freedom Action Committee.

> We expose the truth about labor unions and the pain they impose upon free enterprise.

So, basically garbage anti-union propaganda. You might as well have just linked this video https://youtu.be/ONKkoiszVSs?t=17.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by 6nf » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:18 AM UTC

freyir wrote: post #340

dqpb wrote: post #257

> Khan made me single parent. I've been downvoted here before for "victim blaming", but I'm going to say this anyway because someone has to. It's your responsibility to be in control of your life. There is no grand order of things that will take care of you. There will always be things working against you. Entropy, competition, environmental hazards, psychopaths, etc, are everpresent. You need to have the confidence…

Easier said than done you’re on an H1B visa and HR hangs you out to dry.

If you are on H1B and you have a family in the country I think you need to be very careful about how you behave at work, and if your work situation sucks you better start looking for a new H1B sponsor. You can always complain later.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by ex__atlassian » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:22 AM UTC

Its unfortunate but at the same time its the bitter truth. The visa restrictions/dependency create a slavery system within the software industry at-least in US as far as I have seen personally. The person fighting must have received his green card by now I guess which is why he is able to come forward like this. On the other hand if some one is on short leash (PIP) like this with a H1B visa, they would spend their time and energy on finding another job before their status becomes illegal. I have personal experience of a PIP which was personally motivated and I was naive enough to think that I had all the evidences to prove my case. At one point of time I was thinking whether to go to court or focus my energy to find a better job. As some one said earlier the HR is not for the employees, they are for the company. The management chain is more interested to protect one of they own, even if there are evidences.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:27 AM UTC

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Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by Ericson2314 » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:27 AM UTC

We must end the H1B.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by MattyRad » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:28 AM UTC

john_moscow wrote: post #336

abbracadabbra wrote: post #320

Which came first, the post or the lawsuit? Churyumov v. Amazon Corporate LLC (2:19-cv-00136) District Court, W.D. Washington https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14528071/churyumov-v-am...

Yuck, >Self-Represented Plaintiff Oleg Churyumov. This won't end well for the guy.

He's self representing himself for the case? Does anyone know if there is any reasoning behind this? Even lawyers aren't recommended to represent themselves... going up against Amazon's lawyers with- no offense to the author- imperfect English, sounds like it would be more of a firing squad than a lawsuit.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by lstroud » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:29 AM UTC

Hate to tell him, the job of every HR department is to protect the company, not the employees.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by itslennysfault » Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:30 AM UTC

hwj6etsd90lb wrote: post #328

thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #154

Besides H1Bs, and fresh graduates (who don't have any choice), I don't understand how Amazon can still higher Software engineers. I understand that Amazon teams are diverse, but as a candidate with any other possible option, how could anyone even consider amazon considering everything that's been written about the company already.

How about because Amazon develops some of the most interesting and innovative products out there? AWS, Alexa, Go Store, to name a few? I've worked on several AWS services, and I'm very proud of being a part of them and of AWS in general. I bet there are very few other places where I would find problems this interesting or of this scale. If you have some experience, you probably know better than just look for a job at…

There are plenty of companies that have interesting projects and don't have such a toxic culture. GCP and Azure are the exact same technical challenge as AWS without all the Amazon BS.