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The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet

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Re: The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet

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Post by G_Wen »

javert wrote: post #57
G_Wen wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, he was a pretty big advocate on net neutrality: http://www.alfranken.com/index.php/splash/netneutrality http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/08/19/can-al-franken-save-net... http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20011587-503544.html http://colorlines.com/archives/2010/08/600_convene_for_broad... Edit more links: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/07/senator-inte... http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/media/se…

What does this bill have in common with net neutrality? More government control of what is otherwise private property. It's consistent to support both.

Yes I thought about this more after I posted my comment and realized that is is reasonable to be a supporter of both. It did come as a bit of a surprise when I had heard Al Franken voted for this bill since he was so public about his views on net neutrality.

Re: The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet

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Post by burgerbrain »

natmaster wrote: post #55

I honestly do not understand people who cite the first amendment to the constitution as reasoning, but think the second amendment is antiquated. (Note: They don't mention the second amendment in this article, I'm merely referring to the fact that I don't hear uproars like this when it is violated.)

I honestly do not understand why people bring up completely tangental issues while discussing politics.

(Note: They usually don't mean to detract from the topic being discussed, but that is without fail what happens when they derail the conversation.)

Re: The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet

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Post by shotgun »

scarlson wrote: post #46
stevejohnson wrote: post #2

I'm extremely surprised to see Franken on this list. Wasn't he outspoken against this sort of thing?

I emailed my Senators (native Minnesotan). If I get anything other than an automated response I'll be sure to edit and include it. I'm really dismayed that Franken supported this, especially considering his stance on net neutrality. We might need 10 or 20 more Jammie Thomas-Rassets to get enough of a popular response from citizens to really change our Senators minds. Here's hoping...

I worked on the Google Twin Ports initiative in Duluth and am also shocked that Al is on this list. He participated in a the production of a video in support: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2i_piWVXuc

Please let me know what you hear back. If we need to raise hell about this issue I'm in and know a number of others in MN that will help...

Re: The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet

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Post by jdavid »

Bills like this allow for the technology to be put in place for broader censorship. Even though in theory protecting copywrite is good, it's also very scary to think the government has a big large red button to block any website they want, maybe even without oversite.

Re: The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet

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Post by flyt »

_delirium wrote: post #56
joeybaker wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only that, but Feinstein is ostensibly the Senator of Silicon Valley, and should know better.

She's also the Senator of Hollywood, though, and traditionally the LA-based media industry has had more clout in California politics than the Bay-Area-based tech industry has.

We should change this.

Re: The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet

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Post by doki_pen »

G_Wen wrote: post #3
stevejohnson wrote: post #2

I'm extremely surprised to see Franken on this list. Wasn't he outspoken against this sort of thing?

Yes, he was a pretty big advocate on net neutrality: http://www.alfranken.com/index.php/splash/netneutrality http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/08/19/can-al-franken-save-net... http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20011587-503544.html http://colorlines.com/archives/2010/08/600_convene_for_broad... Edit more links: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/07/senator-inte... http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/media/se…

He is a supporter of net neutrality but is on record as saying ISPs should combat copyright infringement. When the question of how both could be accomplished arises he admits to being complete ignorant of how technology works.

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Post by nubian »

stevejohnson wrote: post #2

I'm extremely surprised to see Franken on this list. Wasn't he outspoken against this sort of thing?

Al Franken is also a big TSA supporter.

“You’re doing a fabulous job and you ought to be supported,” the Minnesota Democrat told a gathering of about 25 transportation security officers (TSOs) and representatives of their union, Local 899 of the American Federation of Government Employees.

http://blog.alfranken.com/2010/02/18/workday-minnesota-tsa-o...

Re: The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet

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Post by nubian »

phlux wrote: post #13

AL FUCKING FRANKIN SIGNED THAT??????

Al Franken is also a big TSA supporter.

“You’re doing a fabulous job and you ought to be supported,” the Minnesota Democrat told a gathering of about 25 transportation security officers (TSOs) and representatives of their union, Local 899 of the American Federation of Government Employees.

http://blog.alfranken.com/2010/02/18/workday-minnesota-tsa-o...

Re: The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet

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Post by joeybaker »

_delirium wrote: post #56
joeybaker wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only that, but Feinstein is ostensibly the Senator of Silicon Valley, and should know better.

She's also the Senator of Hollywood, though, and traditionally the LA-based media industry has had more clout in California politics than the Bay-Area-based tech industry has.

Technically true, but Feinstein is from NorCal (San Francisco) Boxer is from SoCal (near Riverside). In a big state like CA, there's a bit of an unofficial division of loyalties.

Re: The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet

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Post by snsr »

MBlume wrote: post #54
snsr wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My god that has to be one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. Seems Leahy was at the helm of that disaster, too.

Actually, Leahy killed CBDTP: Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, had stated that he could "not support" the proposed legislation and, as chairman, intended to block consideration of the controversial bill. This essentially killed the bill in 2002.

Indeed, thanks! Reading comprehension fail.
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