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China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Mainland

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Re: China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Mainland

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Post by johnzim »

ngcc_hk wrote: post #79
gammateam wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the Hong Kong autonomy expires in 2047 It would be negligent not to continually manage and revise the plans as the economies change. It would be stranger to know that you are legally obligated to annex and support a neighboring economic powerhouse with a totally parallel incompatible culture that was ignored or isolated for 50 years. Instead, Mainland China has become less and less aligned with Marx’s teachings,…

The whole idea is not sending hker to hell of communists. The struggle of hongkonger for basic human rights are getting worse and worse. Not sure why you get this idea.

CCP propaganda is strong - that's why.

Look at the language used "return" - people still think HK was leased. It wasn't - the New Territories were.

People don't care about HK people. I wish they did but no one does.

At least Tibet has some awareness surrounding it in the West - HK just got hung out to dry.

Of all the colonies from which British rule was removed, only HK got handed over to the thugs, thieves and torturers its population had previously escaped.

Everyone else got independence. HKers didn't even get UK passports.

Re: China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Mainland

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Post by johnzim »

cylinder wrote: post #9
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #4

Scary from an investment perspective. Imagine having property rights under Hong Kong law transitioned to the lawlessness of Beijing.

Well so far it's been good for HK owners because it allows mainland Chinese to stash their capital in HK.

Less good for average HKers though...

Re: China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Mainland

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Post by gammateam »

ngcc_hk wrote: post #79
gammateam wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the Hong Kong autonomy expires in 2047 It would be negligent not to continually manage and revise the plans as the economies change. It would be stranger to know that you are legally obligated to annex and support a neighboring economic powerhouse with a totally parallel incompatible culture that was ignored or isolated for 50 years. Instead, Mainland China has become less and less aligned with Marx’s teachings,…

The whole idea is not sending hker to hell of communists. The struggle of hongkonger for basic human rights are getting worse and worse. Not sure why you get this idea.

> The whole idea is not sending hker to hell of communists. The struggle of hongkonger for basic human rights are getting worse and worse. Not sure why you get this idea.

I mean, was that ever an option? So I have zero chips in this game and it is plainly obvious to me from 8,000 miles away that the writing has been on the wall since 1997: Hong Kong has autonomy for 50 years.

The various protests are just to ensure that autonomy and mainland interference... until 2047.

These are agreements that have been upheld by the international community, and Hong Kong and mainland China (with evidence of growing propaganda to align HK interests with the CCP). But real interference from mainland China before this agreement ends would be an invasion of which there is no chance of winning or gaining defense from, and they have never done that and upheld the agreement.

I wish to be empathic, as I can see the strong Hong Kong sovereign identity and the people's investment in that, but there's no outcome where that lasts past 2047, barring a new agreement, and there are outcomes where both regions align closer to ideologies.

My understanding is that Hong Kong's autonomy lasts till 2047, but the Basic Law constitution has no expiration date. There is just no framework for the Basic Law to have any weight after being absorbed back into the CCP's umbrella and supreme (but arbitrary) rule of law.

Maybe within Hong Kong it feels different as if there is a chance, but that's an echo chamber. If you want to avoid being absorbed into mainland China then you have to leave like EVERY OTHER Cantonese speaking community has done in waves for the last 200 years.

There is just not a history to support Hong Kong being an exception, it is just tolerated, for now.

Re: China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Mainland

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Post by seabrookmx »

Honest question for someone who doesn't know the area well..

Macau and HK are both Cantonese speaking regions. Given that the Infrastructure updates in the area make everything "closer" (in terms of travel time etc), what impact is this having on language?

Is this a Montreal type thing where most people are bilingual enough where it doesn't matter? Is Cantonese a de-facto street language in these South Chinese cities even if Mandarin is the official language?

Re: China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Mainland

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Post by TeckMonkeyLOL »

seabrookmx wrote: post #97

Honest question for someone who doesn't know the area well.. Macau and HK are both Cantonese speaking regions. Given that the Infrastructure updates in the area make everything "closer" (in terms of travel time etc), what impact is this having on language? Is this a Montreal type thing where most people are bilingual enough where it doesn't matter? Is Cantonese a de-facto street language in these South Chinese cities…

why would you think that Mandarin and Cantonese are two language

Re: China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Mainland

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Post by jacobolus »

seabrookmx wrote: post #97

Honest question for someone who doesn't know the area well.. Macau and HK are both Cantonese speaking regions. Given that the Infrastructure updates in the area make everything "closer" (in terms of travel time etc), what impact is this having on language? Is this a Montreal type thing where most people are bilingual enough where it doesn't matter? Is Cantonese a de-facto street language in these South Chinese cities…

People originally from that region speak Cantonese, but from what I understand most people in Shenzhen are immigrants from elsewhere in China, and predominantly speak Mandarin.

Re: China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Mainland

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Post by L_Rahman »

seabrookmx wrote: post #97

Honest question for someone who doesn't know the area well.. Macau and HK are both Cantonese speaking regions. Given that the Infrastructure updates in the area make everything "closer" (in terms of travel time etc), what impact is this having on language? Is this a Montreal type thing where most people are bilingual enough where it doesn't matter? Is Cantonese a de-facto street language in these South Chinese cities…

We have an existing example to extrapolate from. Cantonese is the native dialect in Guangzhou and it's fading away in the current generation of children in no small part because of government pressure in schools. It's likely that something similar will happen in Macau and HK.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2136237/why-...

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