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Amazon Caught Selling Counterfeits of Publisher’s Computer Books–Again

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Re: Amazon Caught Selling Counterfeits of Publisher’s Computer Books–Again

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I knew this would blow up. Sadly, Amazon/createspace (now called KDP) apparenty has no mechanism or will to ban users who abuse the system. I am a KDP author myself, with three titles under my belt in the nature/regional category. About three months ago I noticed flagrant copyright infringement of a well-known author in my field. The title had a one star rating, because a number of people had left negative reviews pointing out (in no uncertain terms) that it was not genuine.

I emailed and then called support (twice) and pointed it out. Even after escalating the issue as far as I could, it resulted in no action. Even a cursory review should have stopped the title from being published, since it was of ridiculously poor-quality (analogous to someone publishing a title called "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Legacy by J.K. Rowling" and having an apparently legit front cover but an interior filled with almost nonsensical, semi-autogenerated text). The fact that a title like this can be published on the platform at all indicates that the review process for new titles is sadly lacking any application of common sense.

I'm appreciative that Amazon is pushing the envelope in supporting self-publishers via their print on demand services, but by failing (and actually refusing) to police it they are giving a bad name to the whole enterprise. Through their inaction they are encouraging the copyright infringers and scammers to turn what could/should be a great service into a toxic ecosystem.

Re: Amazon Caught Selling Counterfeits of Publisher’s Computer Books–Again

#72
Isn’t it more accurate that a seller is using Amazon’s publishing platform to counterfeit and sell other publishers books?

The title suggests Amazon has wrongdoing here. You could make the case that they need more policing and review but it’s not like Amazon is knowingly selling counterfeit here.

Re: Amazon Caught Selling Counterfeits of Publisher’s Computer Books–Again

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The counterfeit and review manipulation issues have rendered Amazon unpleasant enough for me that buying local is something I've started to enjoy again. I trust the merchant to have performed some kind of vetting for merchandise sold on premise, and the price is often good or (interestingly enough) even better than on Amazon. Often enough local is still more expensive, but it beats browsing Amazon for an hour, siftin…

The third party seller stuff has really killed my faith in Amazon. If I wanted to have to read reviews for the entity selling the good and have some expectation of getting a counterfeit/broken good, I would go to eBay. I used to go to Amazon because I could trust them, but that trust is lonnng gone. These days I'm shopping more and more locally, because I can actually see the thing I'm buying. Side note: I'm sad to s…

Actually I find ebay to be much better than Amazon for buying. I can read the seller reviews and I know they're generally legitimate. Particularly the negative reviews, which is all I need to see if I want to know what the seller does wrong, if anything.

I can look up a seller to make sure he's sourced an item properly, for example, newegg sells SD cards on ebay so I know newegg is sourcing SD cards properly and I'm good to go. Or I look up a seller and they claim to be a licensed Nikon supplier I know I'm probably ok or I could even call up Nikon to verify they're a licensed supplier.

If I want something fake/cloned I know I can just buy cheap from the chinese supplier and I don't have to pay a markup to a middle man. But if I want it right away, I can order from someone in the same state as me and pay a couple extra bucks, and I know it's the clone cuz the picture is the exact same.

You get a lot of information on ebay that you don't get on Amazon.

Re: Amazon Caught Selling Counterfeits of Publisher’s Computer Books–Again

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The counterfeit and review manipulation issues have rendered Amazon unpleasant enough for me that buying local is something I've started to enjoy again. I trust the merchant to have performed some kind of vetting for merchandise sold on premise, and the price is often good or (interestingly enough) even better than on Amazon. Often enough local is still more expensive, but it beats browsing Amazon for an hour, siftin…

I purchased some wire cutters a year or two ago from Amazon and they were fine for the speaker wire I was cutting... Until this year when I tried to cut a guitar string with them and found a perfect guitar gauged hole in my snips every time I tried to cut.

I was irate, having paid $10 for these. So I go online to leave a review and warn people off... only to find that the seller "no longer existed". They absolutely did, and were selling their awful snips but had changed their name and paid for a bunch of 5 star reviews again.

I've been far more aware as of late that whenever I search for something (say the staple gun I recently got my wife) all I get are offbrand or knockoff results showing for often several pages. I have to go, figure out which brands are reputable and then come back to actually make my purchase.

I'd rather just go to a brick and mortar at this point. I'm definitely not renewing my amazon prime.

Re: Amazon Caught Selling Counterfeits of Publisher’s Computer Books–Again

#75
In the Tweet about one of the counterfeits, Bill Pollock says:

> Images of counterfeit copies of Python for Kids being sold on Amazon. Legit copies are thicker, color, layflat binding, nicer paper

I've noticed on occasion my local Barnes & Noble will have two copies of a book and one will be noticeably thicker than the other. Same edition, same cover art, same number of pages, but one just seems to be on thicker paper.

I've only noticed this in the computer section, but I generally only visit that section, other STEM sections, science fiction, and graphic novels, and of those only the computer section is likely to have multiple copies of books that are thick enough that a difference in thickness would be noticeable while browsing, so there may be selection bias here.

Does this mean counterfeits are even making their way onto bookstore shelves? Or do some publishers have a range of paper sizes they might use for a give book, and what is actually used varies from print run to print run?

Re: Amazon Caught Selling Counterfeits of Publisher’s Computer Books–Again

#76

How isnt Amazon liable for this / sued? If Walmart did the same there would be various lawsuits

is eBay getting sued every time a counterfeit good is sold?

In this case amazon produced, stored, and shipped counterfeit goods.

Ebay only allows 3rd parties to have a listing, much like craigslist.

Re: Amazon Caught Selling Counterfeits of Publisher’s Computer Books–Again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My last two Amazon purchases ended up being counterfit, even after spending a ton of time trying to avoid counterfits. I'm still going to use my fake electric toothbrush heads and fake Apple 5W USB charger, but I'm not using Amazon anymore.

Careful with those fake chargers. They're known to catch fire.

There was a kid in the news recently who was electrocuted to death because of their fake charger.

https://www.health.com/home/cell-phone-electrocution

Re: Amazon Caught Selling Counterfeits of Publisher’s Computer Books–Again

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post #72

Isn’t it more accurate that a seller is using Amazon’s publishing platform to counterfeit and sell other publishers books? The title suggests Amazon has wrongdoing here. You could make the case that they need more policing and review but it’s not like Amazon is knowingly selling counterfeit here.

Amazon has a well known history of simply ignoring copyright complaints. We can assume at this point Amazon is the malicious actor here.

Re: Amazon Caught Selling Counterfeits of Publisher’s Computer Books–Again

#79

https://qz.com/1542839/amazon-has-finally-admitted-to-invest... Well, admitting you have a problem is the first step, so maybe now they'll finally get serious about fixing this shit.

Its hard to admit you have a problem when your problem still brings in buckets of money everyday. I dont think they care, how much can a publisher or author sue amazon for peddling counterfeit wares? That is when it will matter, when they start losing large settlements.

Re: Amazon Caught Selling Counterfeits of Publisher’s Computer Books–Again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And shock you or destroy your equipment. A lot of what makes real (UL/ETL listed) chargers expensive is making sure that line voltage stays adequately separated from the low voltage side.

> A lot of what makes real (UL/ETL listed) chargers expensive is making sure that line voltage stays adequately separated from the low voltage side. Even a very cheap and simplified design can do that. I wouldn't say "a lot" at all, maybe a few percent of the cost at most. It's a corner that could possibly be cut, but it's not one of the bigger corners.

This summer I, had a dehumidifier plugged in with a 3-prong connector . . good thing I, checked it shortly after I started the unit ,the adapter was very/warm . . a short in a cheap adapter . . went to electric supply store and made sure I got a high quality UL rated brand.
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