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Oodi, Helsinki’s new flagship library

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Re: Oodi, Helsinki’s new flagship library

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I can't read the article, but this is a nice piece which shows the insides pretty well: https://www.oodihelsinki.fi/en/what-is-oodi/architecture/ It is a really beautiful space, I was there with my child last weekend and shot lots of videos of the various areas. There are trees inside, play-areas for children, and many nooks for reading/resting/chatting. This link (Finnish) has a brief video showing people cleaning t…

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Re: Oodi, Helsinki’s new flagship library

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily are public libraries not run on gut feelings and personal semantics. The purpose of libraries in Finland is defined by the Library Act, which states that public libraries should provide[0]: 1) equal opportunities for everyone to access education and culture; 2) availability and use of information; 3) reading culture and versatile literacy skills; 4) opportunities for lifelong learning and competence developme…

Since when was studying a 'nostalgic fantasy'? In the UK, libraries are something like social centres: unemployed people go there to read; retired people read the daily papers; people without the internet at home come to use the computers; children come after school until their parents finish work. It's important that there are public spaces like that. It's a lifeline for some people. But most public libraries in the…

>Since when was studying a 'nostalgic fantasy'?

Studying is not a nostalgic fantasy. Giving opinions on how public libraries should be run, without any relation to reality is. If you go through the library act I posted you will find that providing silent study places is NOT an object that Finnish public libraries should fulfil. It makes no sense to criticise public libraries for not providing what they shouldn't provide.People that want silent study places can go to academic libraries.

>retired people read the daily papers; people without the internet at home come to use the computers; children come after school until their parents finish work.

All things that would be less of, if the public library room were to be a silent tomb.

>It's important that there are public spaces like that. It's a lifeline for some people.

Exactly. The nostalgic fantasy I'm criticising carlospwk for is that public libraries are "noisy, too relaxed and not geared towards actual studying". Not really a position that fosters the needs of the diverse population of patrons.

Re: Oodi, Helsinki’s new flagship library

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I don’t think it’s accurate to call Oodi a library. It’s more of a communal space for citizens and a sort of a playground/hangout for kids. With some books. Maybe I’m a cranky old man but I don’t really enjoy these kind of open spaces. It’s noisy, too relaxed and not geared towards actual studying and working. Libraries in Finland no longer have any expectations for peace and quiet.

In my view libraries are simply evolving with the times, but perhaps I'm not yet quite so old after all. I like the idea that there's a public space for soldering, 3D printing, sowing, or just being.

I wouldn't really make sweeping generalisations on the state of Finnish libraries based on one modern example intended to be different. Besides, if we're going to have yet another library in the centre of Helsinki, why not make it different?

If you need to study the university library is just around the corner. Or the library of the national archives if you prefer a tomb-like silence. Or the one on Rikhardinkatu for the more classic milieu. Choice is good.

Re: Oodi, Helsinki’s new flagship library

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I don’t think it’s accurate to call Oodi a library. It’s more of a communal space for citizens and a sort of a playground/hangout for kids. With some books. Maybe I’m a cranky old man but I don’t really enjoy these kind of open spaces. It’s noisy, too relaxed and not geared towards actual studying and working. Libraries in Finland no longer have any expectations for peace and quiet.

Noisy? Have you been to the place? Yes, there are spaces inside where talking is allowed and encouraged, but there are many separate study halls where it's dead quiet and you can even book your own sound-proofed room if you want total isolation.

Of course they haven't been there, that would defeat the purpose of ranting about something you know nothing about and ultimately don't care about either.

Re: Oodi, Helsinki’s new flagship library

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I continue to be curious although happy that libraries are such a topic of interest on HN. (Also sometimes wonder if the interest is based on a romantic fantasy not too related to contemporary reality of libraries). What do people think make libraries so interesting or pleasing to the HN audience?

--a librarian software engineer

Re: Oodi, Helsinki’s new flagship library

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I can't read the article, but this is a nice piece which shows the insides pretty well: https://www.oodihelsinki.fi/en/what-is-oodi/architecture/ It is a really beautiful space, I was there with my child last weekend and shot lots of videos of the various areas. There are trees inside, play-areas for children, and many nooks for reading/resting/chatting. This link (Finnish) has a brief video showing people cleaning t…

What an absolutely gorgeous building - thanks for sharing the links. And kudos to Helsinki for undertaking such an ambitious project. One of my fondest memories of raising our kids was taking them to our little branch library every Saturday. If we'd had an Oodi, I never would have gotten them to leave!

Re: Oodi, Helsinki’s new flagship library

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It was also featured in the NYT's Art & Design section: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/arts/design/helsinki-libr... Quote from Tommi Laitio, an executive director in Helsinki city: “We often think that things like social cohesion or democracy are just words, but in spaces like these they really come to life,” Mr. Laitio said. “You need some social infrastructure for communities to work. You can’t build them on fr…

Another nice quote: 'Oodi “fits very well into the Nordic story of how societies work,” Mr. Laitio said. “There are so few of us here, so we have to make sure everyone can develop to their fullest potential.”' A perspective increasingly lost in Sweden.

What makes you say that? As a Finn I feel that we lag a step behind Sweden in many things. Be it little brother syndrome or something else I think it holds to some truth (e.g. by economic standards)

Re: Oodi, Helsinki’s new flagship library

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Oodi is quite hideous from the outside: I haven't generally felt the appeal to walk towards the area. See for yourself: https://ibb.co/jkJ4h1B But Oodi is also not so much of a library than an indoor public space. That is probably fine and that I think is where libraries are going in general. However, being born decades ago it's libraries I like. I'll much rather find my "books and crannies" to spend some quality tim…

It does look much more attractive from the front though ..
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