“Reverse location” search warrants identify all cellphones near a crime scene

Post by Ajedi32 » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 2:58 PM UTC

growlist wrote: post #113

hrdwdmrbl wrote: post #58

In the future I think that the idea that the government doesn't know where everyone is at all times will seem hard to imagine. (This is an IS statement not an OUGHT statement)

I'm actually kind of surprised that we don't all have permanent connected heart rate monitors already, in order that an ambulance can be called automatically should something happen.

Post by baud147258 » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 2:59 PM UTC

VectorLock wrote: post #124

baud147258 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's only if the GPS and wifi are activated on the phone. On my phone it's rarely the case.

I'm sure if there is no data from Google they get it from the cell provides, or they _also_ get it from cell providers, but Google is definitely going to have much richer and detailed information on an individual -- if they have it turned on. I bet in 7/10 cases they do.

Post by geggam » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 3:00 PM UTC

JoeSmithson wrote: post #132

renholder wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm honestly shocked that people think that the police are overstepping the mark by requesting anonymised phone data from around the scene of a home invasion murder. I think you're trying to tout that the ends justify the means by obfuscating the facts. There was no murder. The man died of a heart attack. While the home invasion was undoubtly the cause, to arrive at the conclusion that it was murder is disingenuous…

I'm going to duck out of this because I don't believe you are assuming good faith on my part

Post by sixothree » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 3:05 PM UTC

IIAOPSWmobile wrote: post #126

renholder wrote: post #52

> He noted that even if it did target the wrong person, "it doesn't mean they're going to get convicted or arrested, it just gives the detective a look at who could be involved." ...because no case has ever been so righteously pursued, with such a vigorous degree of righteous indignation, that an innocent person was ever thrown in prison[0], yeah? This blasé attitude about sweeping-up data of innocent people is preci…

oh come on. we're not talking about mass survaliance here. this is a clear cut case of a warrant, deacribing the place or thing to be searched and or the persons to be siezed, issued by a judge presented with probable cause.im weary of state overreach too but this isnt it.

Post by maweki » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 3:07 PM UTC

chosenbreed37 wrote: post #94

maweki wrote: post #54

In Germany the "Funkzellenabfrage" ("reverse location" request by cell) provided by the providers is used quite often. On the last Chaos Communication Congress there was a talk about this and the police uses it quite frequently. The guesses were that on average every german phone is identified multiple times per year during this procedure. According to the Berlin statistics from 2017 there were nearly 450 requests re…

"Funkzellenabfrage" - That's a great word. Is there a word describing the ability of the German language to condense English phrases into a single word? :)