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Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by panic »

crazygringo wrote: post #6

I'm curious... since it seems like a number of high-profile bugs often tend to be with clock- or date-related things... is there a set of best practices somewhere around creating time-related tests? A complete list of situations to test under? I'll confess that testing that my software works while a user (or daemon) changes the system clock is something that I don't think has ever occurred to me, and now I'm wonderin…

Part of the problem is that it's hard to determine all the possible situations you could be in -- changing the time during a DST transition while using the Islamic calendar and so on. Formal methods are relatively inaccessible in general, but I wonder if you could make an easy-to-use verification tool specifically focused on date/time code.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by blinkingled »

komali2 wrote: post #7

That's a weird glitch, and generally I'm not a fan of apple hardware (I think it's overpriced, that their keyboards suck, that they don't have enough ports, and I don't enjoy working in osx), but this article comes off as almost biblically haughty. Apple should have tests around clock updates affecting external audio quality? I mean, maybe after this bug being discovered, sure, but before, was that a connection that…

> You have to install a BIOS update.

To be fair though even without S3 sleep it is easy to drop Linux power consumption on the X1C6 to ~2.5-3W with display off and no Linux user worth their salt is afraid of installing a BIOS update which literally adds a 'Linux' mode for sleep after which it's flawless.

The BIOS update even installs without needing Windows now a days - LVFS even.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by jes5199 »

blinkingled wrote: post #12
komali2 wrote: post #7

That's a weird glitch, and generally I'm not a fan of apple hardware (I think it's overpriced, that their keyboards suck, that they don't have enough ports, and I don't enjoy working in osx), but this article comes off as almost biblically haughty. Apple should have tests around clock updates affecting external audio quality? I mean, maybe after this bug being discovered, sure, but before, was that a connection that…

> You have to install a BIOS update. To be fair though even without S3 sleep it is easy to drop Linux power consumption on the X1C6 to ~2.5-3W with display off and no Linux user worth their salt is afraid of installing a BIOS update which literally adds a 'Linux' mode for sleep after which it's flawless. The BIOS update even installs without needing Windows now a days - LVFS even.

ugh I need to install that update. My X1 doesn’t even sleep right in Windows

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by siquick »

uvu wrote: post #3

Generally, Apple MacBook Pro suck since 2017!

Not sure why this getting downvoted.

Had my MBA for 6 years and worked perfectly the whole time, just needed to install a new battery after 4 years but that was a personal preference.

I've had my MBP w/o touch bar for 13 months and I seriously regret spending $2300 on it.

- The keyboard is continually sticking, the left Command key is now completely separated from the keyboard and falls out all the time. I make so many typos now compared to the MBA and people also complain about how loud the keyboard is when Im typing. - The battery life barely lasts more than 2 hours while the MBA lasted 5 hours for exactly the same use case. - If someone trips over the power cable then the whole laptop moves, on the MBA the magsafe just disconnected and no harm done. - Having to use adaptors for USB devices is now getting really tedious.

Im at the point where I doubt my next laptop will be a Mac unless they do some serious adjustments to these ridiculous keyboards. I just want the old keyboard back.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by blinkingled »

jes5199 wrote: post #13
blinkingled wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You have to install a BIOS update. To be fair though even without S3 sleep it is easy to drop Linux power consumption on the X1C6 to ~2.5-3W with display off and no Linux user worth their salt is afraid of installing a BIOS update which literally adds a 'Linux' mode for sleep after which it's flawless. The BIOS update even installs without needing Windows now a days - LVFS even.

ugh I need to install that update. My X1 doesn’t even sleep right in Windows

Well there is no sleep in Windows - it's connected standby - which puts everything in low power mode but running. I ran W10 on it few months but don't recall having issues with conn stdby. Yeah definitely update to the latest BIOS though - 1803 issues maybe sorted by the update.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by innocentoldguy »

The article tries its best to sensationalize the fact that Apple, gasp of all people, has a bug it its stuff. The reality is that all software and all devices have bugs. I would prefer a more journalistically honest, non-sensationalist approach to writing. Tell me what the bug is. Tell me what it affects. Tell me how to fix it. Done.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by bouke »

ipsum2 wrote: post #2

Thought this was regarding Macbook Pro speakers being blown out due to audio glitches that was reported last week: https://www.dpreview.com/news/2610969677/some-macbook-pro-ow... (RIP my 2018 Macbook Pro speakers, they sounded great when they worked)

My 2016 did that while booting. Now my left channel only produces distorted sounds. Luckily it’s still under AppleCare.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by _asummers »

Semi-related: But does anyone know why unplugging headphones while audio is muted causes the audio to become unmuted? This is easily my least favorite bug and results in a 10 second shuffle of frantically finding the mute button again, sometimes with the laptop closed. It seems like something that would never pass QA in previous iterations of Apple, though I could be remembering the past more fondly than was true.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by mrinterweb »

I have a 2017 MBP, and it regularly has audio issues, among other issues. Sometimes I'm able to kill the audio daemon, and get my audio back. Other times I have to reboot (sometimes I have to reset the PRAM in order to get audio back). I have audio problems at least once a week. I know two other people with 2017 MBPs that have the same regular issues I do. I assume there are many more.

I feel that recent Apple laptops are no longer premium machines regardless of the premium price tag.

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