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Re: Finding Lena Forsen, the Patron Saint of JPEGs

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Post by yesenadam » Mon, Feb 18, 2019, 1:53 PM UTC

taneq wrote: post #91

cedex12 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if they're not a hypocrite. I don't agree at all with your statement here. There is a whole historical/social difference at play here; taking it into account doesn't make you a hypocrite. (I hate the "hypocrite" judgement. So easy to cast and rarely true)

Well I hate the way that "it's OK to do something to a person of one race/gender/subgroup that it's not OK to do to a person of a different race/gender/subgroup, for some historical reason" has become the new justification for all sorts of prejudice, so I guess we're even.

Please don't do this on HN.[0]

>Of course, anyone who does have an issue with Lena would have equal issue with a male equivalent, if they're not a hypocrite.

Part of cedex12's point, I take it, is that there is no 'male equivalent'. Your 'of course' following by accusation of hypocrisy makes it seem you were looking for a fight, not a discussion, and mainly wanted to dump out the standard 'talking point' which followed. "Of course" is just bluff, begging the question, code for "I have no reason to give but I'm right, obviously". No, you're not "even".

(I do however disagree with cedex12's claim that accusations of human hypocrisy are rarely true.)

[0] I dislike like the sound of me saying that. I tried removing it, but I disliked the implied acceptance of the way you were speaking on here even less, so I put it back.

Re: Finding Lena Forsen, the Patron Saint of JPEGs

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Post by yawaramin » Mon, Feb 18, 2019, 5:10 PM UTC

eecc wrote: post #119

yawaramin wrote: post #113

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What exactly do you think is involved in making it “chill for anyone to just pick up this job if they feel it’s their thing”? Like, should anything different be done? Should anything be done at all? Or should we tell anyone who has any criticisms, 'nah we made it chill, so your criticism is actually invalid'?

IMHO any action should not be centered around combing history to formulate a constant moral (istic) judgement on past behavior. Sure, the most egregious cases of outspoken chauvinism should be addresses - preferably if they relate to something occurring today - but constant nitpick and blanket attack simply select for people with axes to grind who are motivated to quarrel. Propositive criticisms like "this attitude/p…

That is exactly what people are asking for. You just objected to exactly what people are not doing, and called for exactly what they are calling for.

Re: Finding Lena Forsen, the Patron Saint of JPEGs

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Post by Pharmakon » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 12:21 AM UTC

qubex wrote: post #56

Pharmakon wrote: post #15

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Personally I’m not bothered, and while the image isn’t pornographic, it is from Playboy which does make it at least porn adjacent. I see it’s use less as a matter of offensiveness or some headfuck of “intersectionality” and more as just immature and unprofessional. Sexuality is great, it’s everywhere, and I think it has literally nothing to do with this issue. I can understand not wanting a Playboy model to be the st…

I’m a nudist (meaning I have no problem being naked or seeing people without clothes on when it is comfortable, publicly or privately). What on earth is wrong with a nude photograph? What does it say about humankind that we deny our baseline state?

Fair play to you on the nudism. My question would be whether you’d show up starkers at work? If not, then I’m not sure how it applies.

Re: Finding Lena Forsen, the Patron Saint of JPEGs

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Post by FearNotDaniel » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 1:05 AM UTC

59nadir wrote: post #59

Lena Forsén* You'd think, having written a whole article about her, you'd be able to spell her name right. It's incredible to me how relaxed people in English speaking countries, particularly the US, are with removing and changing letters as they see fit. I remember seeing someone on Reddit, for example, who had named their kid Soren, after Søren Kierkegaard, completely ignoring that it's not even the same name. Do p…

I like to imagine a world where everybody refused to use Uber, on grounds of orthographic incorrectness. Would Lyft have won? Is deliberate misspelling okay as long as it's in your own language?

Re: Finding Lena Forsen, the Patron Saint of JPEGs

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Post by qubex » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 10:46 PM UTC

Pharmakon wrote: post #123

qubex wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a nudist (meaning I have no problem being naked or seeing people without clothes on when it is comfortable, publicly or privately). What on earth is wrong with a nude photograph? What does it say about humankind that we deny our baseline state?

Fair play to you on the nudism. My question would be whether you’d show up starkers at work? If not, then I’m not sure how it applies.

No I wouldn’t. Firstly because shocking unexpected people is streaking and/or (in some jurisdictions at least) some kind of offence. Secondly because I’m willing to see people undressed doesn’t mean it’s universal (everybody has there preferences, prejudices, and ingrained values). Thirdly because I’m the managing director and enthusiastic or not or not one of my duties is to set the tone for the workplace by example not by demanding that others do what I tell them to but by leading by example, and that includes conservative dress.

Then again I’m in Italy where somewhat different social norms apply: people ask each other out on dates after they meet in the workplace and even if it’s unappreciated nobody dreams of kicking up a stink for sexual harassment because they consider it a normal form of human interaction. It’s also normal to compliment people on their looks and choice of attire. Both genders do it. Nobody gets offended. It’s more like “yeah, I put a ton of effort into choosing and matching this outfit this morning, and nobody noticed?! WTF??”