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Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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This seems like just another proof-of-stake currency, albeit with some niceties like sharding and the 'vaulting' mechanism. It'd have all of the issues with a proof-of-stake currency, such as leading to small clique with most of the coins in the system, who get to decide who gets their transactions signed. Can anyone see anything more here or is that all there is?

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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My understanding is that PoS approaches follow normal byzantine agreement theory which states that adversaries cannot control more than 1/3rd of the accounts (or money in the case of algorand). You can also delay new blocks more easily. Ethereum is scared or that so they are implementing some hybrid form. Bitcoin is doomed from my perspective, because of the focus on proof of work and the confirmation times. When you…

And what of decentralized premined chains (with no PoW, no PoS, and far less energy use) that release coins with escrow smart contracts over time such as Ripple and Stellar (and close a new ledger every few seconds)? > Algorand has a very fast consensus mechanism and can add blocks as quickly as the network can deliver them. We become a victim of our success. The blockchain will grow very rapidly. A terabyte a month…

Ripple is not decentralized. I don't know enough about Stellar to answer.

Bitcoin is software and can easily implement these features but the community is divided and can't reach consensus on anything. Lightning Network as layer two solution is pretty good from what I know.

Ethereum improvements are coming along very slowly and that's good. They're the only blockchain with active engagement by thousands of multiple parties.

Aragaon and Vault's papers might sound good, but who knows how they'll turn out in production.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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Loans no, not at all. Money transfer for coin is extremely inefficient. Volatility makes crypto a terrible place to keep money. Besides, you're paying for the legal and institutional protection anyway. If crypto made money transfer more efficient, they'd use it and still have the value add of a large institution backing transactions.

> Loans no, not at all. https://makerdao.com/dai/ $80M DAI issued so far...

That's only useful as a hedge for ETH. A mortgage where you have to put down 373% of the value of the house in liquid currency as collateral is not competitive in the slightest.

https://mkr.tools/

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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I'm shocked and disheartened by how infrequently environmental concerns are brought up when discussing crypto. Proof of Work vs Proof of Stake, security, storage size - these are problems for the network and those that want to see it become a real part of our economy. (I am one of those) But the amount of energy being used to mine bitcoin is a real problem - it's not just a technical challenge (like the problems abov…

Anyone still believe this shit after the bitcoin pyramid?

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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An enormous amount of energy used to support a tiny minority of people participating in a highly-manipulated wealth redistribution mechanism is, objectively, a complete fucking waste. You cannot look at bitcoin by any measure and say that it's a practical success for any of its goals. And given the amount of energy it uses to perpetuate its own failure, it's nearly sinful to keep it going. That said, I do support som…

>...transact without overly-censorious middle-men who take a cut while adding nearly no value. We have the internet, now. Payment networks should have died years ago. nearly no value = many more transactions per second for much less energy cost.

The "value" is the payment network itself (plus stupid things like rewards which are taken from the businesses and distributed to the consumers). However, the payment network can easily be superseded by the internet, and all that's really needed is to build a ledger on top of it (and using something like PoS it could use an amount of energy probably on par with Visa, or at least comparable to it for the same number of transactions).

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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I'm shocked and disheartened by how infrequently environmental concerns are brought up when discussing crypto. Proof of Work vs Proof of Stake, security, storage size - these are problems for the network and those that want to see it become a real part of our economy. (I am one of those) But the amount of energy being used to mine bitcoin is a real problem - it's not just a technical challenge (like the problems abov…

No, we don't. Bitcoin is one way to use energy. There are hundreds of thousands of other ways. When you say Bitcoin "hurts the environment", what, concretely do you mean? Presumably, you mean it in a stronger sense than "using energy to produce food hurts the environment" or "using energy to run an ER hurts the environment". That is, you think that relative to the benefit provided , the use of (harmful) energy to run…

Which is great, but I could say the same thing of Ferraris for show-off producers in LA, or Hello Kitty backpacks.

Just because one thing is bad doesn't mean the other thing isn't also bad.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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Nano does it in action.

Nano claims to do it in action. So do others. Some of them might even be proven right, the vast majority will not, so acting like it's some kind of trivial solved problem is disingenuous. Ethereum's PoS has been in development for years and there is still no consensus that it will be a better mechanism than PoW.

> acting like it's some kind of trivial solved problem is highly disingenuous

I said it's possible. I didn't say it was easy. That said, PoW on a small scale is an interesting experiment. On a large scale, it's a horrible way of allocating energy usage. So while the databases running on PoW are working, they are a stupid waste of energy.

I welcome any alternative.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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This gets asked often, but in case something changed recently - what are the use cases of cryptocurrencies that are not: - Attempts to side-step the law (however misguided the law is) - Trivial to do using a typical centralized database (e.g. Federal Reserver or VISA) - Tantamount to waiting for a greater fool to buy out the current players I am not looking for answers of the form "well whenever you want to avoid a t…

Rather than sidestepping the law, you can be sidestepping official corruption or crime. There are lots of cases where people who are supposed to be enforcing the law instead use their law-enforcement powers for their own benefit, sometimes in ways that are illegal, officially speaking, but in an unenforced way.

It's perfectly legal for me to, for example, donate money to WikiLeaks. But Visa and Mastercard aggressively canceled every merchant account that allowed people to donate to WikiLeaks through the Visa and Mastercard systems, apparently because of secret pressure from US government officials who were unhappy about some of the things that WikiLeaks revealed. The Snowden revelations — which may not have been legal, so they are peripheral to your question — very likely wouldn't have happened without WikiLeaks being able to support him, which they could only do because they could receive Bitcoin.

Similarly, many Patreon accounts are getting canceled because their owners have published things that are embarrassing to Patreon, but not illegal (typically, racist remarks). If Bitcoin becomes mainstream, there won't be a centralized authority like Patreon that is in a position to end people's livelihoods because they publish politically undesirable viewpoints. (Right now, those viewpoints are viewpoints that are odious to you, but there's no guarantee that that will be the case in the future; it's easy to imagine Patreon bending to Chinese government pressure to censor people who talk about Falun Dafa persecution or Tiananmen Square, for example, even in countries where that is legal.)

As another example, many Venezuelans are having difficulty fleeing the country, even though fleeing the country is technically legal, due to both official corruption and armed gangs. You could argue that it's not clear what is and isn't legal in Venezuela right now because there are two competing governments, but neither of those governments authorizes demanding bribes from would-be émigrés.

As yet another example, it's perfectly legal in Iran and France for French companies to do business with Iranian companies. But, because much of the world financial system is controlled by the US, it can be difficult in practice; see https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/europe-says-it-w... for more details. Regardless of whether US law is misguided or not, under well-established principles of international law dating back to the Peace of Westphalia, it certainly does not apply to French companies doing business in France with Iranian companies in Iran.

So, in a sense, I think you're right that the main purpose of cryptocurrencies is to sidestep violent coercion. I think you're terribly naïve about how much illegal violent coercion is actually "the law", although that's understandable if you've never lived outside a developed country.

There are other uses as well; it's a dramatically better way to send money overseas, for example. Last time someone sent me money via Western Union, I had to go to three different locations, stand in line for twenty minutes, hand over a massive amount of personal information (perfectly suited for identity fraud or targeted home robbery) to an unaccountable third party, sign a false statement, and walk out the door into a dangerous neighborhood with a pocket full of small bills. For this "service", WU charged me/them about 10% of the money sent, and also didn't inform me when it arrived. Bitcoin transactions require none of this nonsense and cost much less; the last Bitcoin payment I received from overseas cost 0.3%, and I received a notification in a few minutes in my Bitcoin client of the transaction.

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