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Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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I think it makes sense. You have an economy built on an economic model rather than an economic model based on an economy. With the latter you're constantly guessing and tweaking the model and roughly every 10 years there's a crash and the economists say okay, NOW we have it perfect and we'll never get it wrong again. Why do you need an unlimited money supply? The only thing causing these shocks is that the economy is…

Exactly, any supply of money will do, no need to permanently increase the amount in circulation — this is why the market settled on gold (which has an inherently low inflation rate due to the difficulties of mining) and impossible to pass off counterfeit gold at scald.

The market has settled on gold? For money? What?

The market moved on to other forms of money centuries ago.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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I'm shocked and disheartened by how infrequently environmental concerns are brought up when discussing crypto. Proof of Work vs Proof of Stake, security, storage size - these are problems for the network and those that want to see it become a real part of our economy. (I am one of those) But the amount of energy being used to mine bitcoin is a real problem - it's not just a technical challenge (like the problems abov…

I dont think we have any real evidence that cryptocurrencies are predominantly using polluting methods of power generation. The entire argument falls over if it is all renewable energy.

No it doesn't fall over as long we are still making "dirty" energy, which we absolutely do.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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Absolutely — I would gladly trade all my gains for a world where governments have no control over the creation and regulation of money.

> I would gladly trade all my gains for a world where governments have no control over the creation and regulation of money. Indeed. And not just because they're absolutely terrible at it: giving control over money creation to a government is like giving a drug addict the keys to the heroin factory.

Bitcoin is giving heroin dealers the keys to the money factory, which is obviously much better.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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Also, what stops you from spamming the network?

I've had concerns in this area as well, as far as I know the team performed some stress tests and the network can do 100+ transactions per second, maybe more. There is also a small computation that the hardware needs to perform before sending the transaction, which is only a small guard against spam but pretty useful.

afair peak of stress test on main network was >300TPS, on test network is was >1500TPS. there exists dedicated software to create wallets and transaction using GPU, just for stress testing.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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A low, but positive, inflation rate is of critical importance. > Any supply of money will do. That is just nonsense. If you have a fixed money supply, given that economic growth is happening, would result in a naturally deflationary currency. That is a terrible place to be for the system as a whole as no one has any incentives to spend or invest in anything as money itself will simply gain value over time just sittin…

Prove it, show me the world where we had a stable monetary supply that resulted in people having no incentive to invest in anything — where’s the experiment? Again, you HAVE to spend money to live (otherwise you die). It’s impossible to live without food and water, most people want to live in a house, most people want entertainment, etc. None of those things can be had without spending money. Also, if your argument i…

Money is fundamentally used for two different things, as currency to help trade and to store value.

Once it becomes too useful as a value store, it stops being used for trade, which hurts the economy.

So therefore some inflation is a good thing, it means the money keeps moving. If you want to store value you do that with assets other than money.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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> I would gladly trade all my gains for a world where governments have no control over the creation and regulation of money. Indeed. And not just because they're absolutely terrible at it: giving control over money creation to a government is like giving a drug addict the keys to the heroin factory.

Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, your comment is spot on. Governments can’t be trusted with money, the incentive to cheat is too great.

What would you call the near-daily exit scams, pump and dumps and ponzi schemes in the "crypto" world if not "cheating"?

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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Yep. Perfectly fine as tech beanie babies.

As a POC of an alternative medium of paiement. As an idea, a hope, the starting point for iterating on the future of money. As a way to make the society think and debate. And as all that, I think it had been successful.

What exactly are your measures for success?

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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I'm shocked and disheartened by how infrequently environmental concerns are brought up when discussing crypto. Proof of Work vs Proof of Stake, security, storage size - these are problems for the network and those that want to see it become a real part of our economy. (I am one of those) But the amount of energy being used to mine bitcoin is a real problem - it's not just a technical challenge (like the problems abov…

> In that sense, the coin would create an economic incentive to pollute (there are plenty of these already), and there's no way to regulate that kind of decentralized network. (That's the whole point) And that's also the solution. The reason people are interested in decentralized trust is that the existing system of centralized trust is a dumpster fire. Politicians want to use the banking system to attack their enemi…

I find it baffling how much power Visa and MasterCard have over people's lives. I can't even imagine what it would be like to be banned from using or benefiting from one of them.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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No incentive to support the network if there's no block rewards. The transaction fees are not sufficient and just meant to prevent spam. It's also better to tax the network as a whole (through this set inflation) than to tax for each usage.

I misunderstood you at first. That’s an interesting speculation, but it remains to be seen what will happen when inflation is near zero. If people value transacting on the network, then they will pay the necessary fees to keep it running. If they don’t then it will go down. I suspect this isn’t the big issue people think it is, regardless there’s no way to “prove” that transaction fees won’t be enough — everyone from…

There's an assumption here that the network will be used and valuable.

If the network is used more it will be more valuable, which means the reward value will increase as the inflation decreases. If nobody uses the network then it'll be worthless, which at that point it doesn't matter since nobody is using it.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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“First they think you're crazy, then they fight you, then you change the world.” - Elizabeth Holmes

It's not exactly same but the quote credit goes to https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/mahatma_gandhi_103630

That's the joke.
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