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What It's Like to Be a Black Mathematician

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Re: What It's Like to Be a Black Mathematician

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"Fewer than 1 percent of doctorates in math are awarded to African-Americans" So? We have affirmative action policies for university admissions. If an Asian needs an "X" SAT score, and an African-American "X - δ" to enter university, yet, fewer of them make it to the higher levels, what do we do? Have different standards for awarding doctorates based on race? Western civilization is in crisis because of these social…

After we've corrected the historical discrimination? i.e. not yet.

Re: What It's Like to Be a Black Mathematician

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"Fewer than 1 percent of doctorates in math are awarded to African-Americans" So? We have affirmative action policies for university admissions. If an Asian needs an "X" SAT score, and an African-American "X - δ" to enter university, yet, fewer of them make it to the higher levels, what do we do? Have different standards for awarding doctorates based on race? Western civilization is in crisis because of these social…

> Have different standards for awarding doctorates based on race?

Things need to be fixed systematically, including education from the pre-school level on. Every kid is a potential scientist, it's the ones we nurture that make it there.

Re: What It's Like to Be a Black Mathematician

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I always struggle to see people victim of racism identify themselve only through their race.

. “I have been the only one in most of the universities I’ve been to — the only student or faculty in the mathematics department.”

“To say that I feel isolated,”

I have always been different looking than other people around me and never identified myself through my race but through my interests and undertakings in life. I find it sad that even people with PhDs think all people of the same race are the same and feel isolated when they re not around same race people while for me being a mathematician surrounded by mathematicians should be the only thing that matters.

Re: What It's Like to Be a Black Mathematician

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I fail to see how either of your anecdotes constitute racism

In the first one, a person made the argument that the sole black person in the department was there only because he was black. That's what "token black person" means.

The second recapitulates a common racial stereotype about native Americans.

Hope that helped!

Re: What It's Like to Be a Black Mathematician

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"Fewer than 1 percent of doctorates in math are awarded to African-Americans" So? We have affirmative action policies for university admissions. If an Asian needs an "X" SAT score, and an African-American "X - δ" to enter university, yet, fewer of them make it to the higher levels, what do we do? Have different standards for awarding doctorates based on race? Western civilization is in crisis because of these social…

> what do we do? Good question. It's a very hard problem, and requires a lot of thought and self-reflection to even begin to solve. Simple university admission policies will not solve such a broad social issue, as you've noted. > original meritocratic competitive default mode Can you explain this? When/where did this meritocratic system exist?

Meritocracy was the default for institutions so long as someone could enter the competition. The aberrations were for nepotism/ cronyism but those appear to be relatively limited.

I can recommend some books about how the German university system worked or how the British civil service worked or how the Dutch trade houses worked if you’re interested.

Today isn’t a perfect meritocracy, the last wasn’t either, but modern affirmative action is unprecedented in western civilization for allowing the proliferation of non-maximally competent people to rise. I can also recommend some stuff about the disasters of affirmative action policies in South Africa under black (mis)management

Re: What It's Like to Be a Black Mathematician

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"Fewer than 1 percent of doctorates in math are awarded to African-Americans" So? We have affirmative action policies for university admissions. If an Asian needs an "X" SAT score, and an African-American "X - δ" to enter university, yet, fewer of them make it to the higher levels, what do we do? Have different standards for awarding doctorates based on race? Western civilization is in crisis because of these social…

I mean, doesn't the madness stop once the identity breakdown in a given field roughly matches the identity in the general population?

If X% of people are Black, I would expect given no structural impediments that roughly X% of Mathematicians would also be Black.

The how to get there in the quickest and fairest way is a political question.

Re: What It's Like to Be a Black Mathematician

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"Fewer than 1 percent of doctorates in math are awarded to African-Americans" So? We have affirmative action policies for university admissions. If an Asian needs an "X" SAT score, and an African-American "X - δ" to enter university, yet, fewer of them make it to the higher levels, what do we do? Have different standards for awarding doctorates based on race? Western civilization is in crisis because of these social…

"So, the real question is, where/when at some point does this madness stop?"

Maybe when all race and gender fall under a single label such as human, in all forms of life. But then, that's meritocracy as we know it.

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