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Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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I have long wondered how cryptocurrency fans would answer the question: ‘Would you be happy if the crypto-utopia you bring up happens in the next 10 years, and all value is stored/transacted through a cryptocurrency, but it was a coin that you do not possess now, nor could you transfer any of you current currencies into it?’ Say tomorrow someone releases the one true coin, but no one notices. All other cryptocurrenci…

Yes, a million times yes.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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Does this just reduce join bandwidth? If so it's a minor improvement since the real problems with scalability are transaction size and proof of work cost per TX.

The scalability problem is fortunately amenable to piecemeal solutions. Some research teams will focus on validation (i.e. novel proof of ____ approaches), others will focus on block propagation, some on bootstrapping (like the OP), novel hash structures for transaction aggregation, etc.

It would be difficult to come out with a new approach that simultaneously advanced the state of the art in every possible scalability dimension. Each individual approach might give a 2-10X improvement on that particular aspect, but it also means that the "bottleneck" keeps shifting, and trending towards scalability.

Source: I'm an academic blockchain researcher.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I think there's value in reducing the politically privileged's means to dominate their power over the general populace. It is my personal belief that people are in poverty because they are politically disposessed, as opposed to the opposite causality arrow (ok obviously it goes both ways but my belief is that it's mostly the other direction).

> I think there's value in reducing the politically privileged's means to dominate their power over the general populaced Cryptocurrency doesn't do this.

Cryptocurrency hasn’t done this yet but it certainly has the potential to do exactly this.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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I have long wondered how cryptocurrency fans would answer the question: ‘Would you be happy if the crypto-utopia you bring up happens in the next 10 years, and all value is stored/transacted through a cryptocurrency, but it was a coin that you do not possess now, nor could you transfer any of you current currencies into it?’ Say tomorrow someone releases the one true coin, but no one notices. All other cryptocurrenci…

I'm into cryptocurrencies (Bitcoin, actually) because it solves a very specific problem that might apply only to my country.

So, anecdote: I live in Argentina, work for an UK based company. been doing that for the last 10 years.

Before I could trade bitcoin in an almost frictionless way (I.e., before I discovered Localbitcoin.com) my routine was to go to the ATM after the payment got into my european bank account, do a few extracts per day, rinse and repeat until I got all the money I needed.

Rate per extraction was around a few euros if I didn't hit minimum, to a certain % (That at times could be 5%, but can't quite recall as last time was 6 or so years ago). Minimum depended on the current economic situation of my country at the time (I suppose I don't need to explain that).

So, why not wire the money to your local bank account, you might ask?

Well, last time I checked (I moved a year ago to Buenos Aires and haven't checked how it goes here because I don't need to) the process for wiring money to my local bank account was as follows:

(Argentina is not inserted into the international SWIFT system !!!) I had to wire the money to a specific bank account in the US, that belonges normally to the bank I was checking, but couldn't really say. I had to wire the money there from my european bank account with certain conditions, so it could be recognizable that the money belonged to me.

Then, after some time (Could be as short as 2 weeks, but no bank would assure it would work like that every time, and wait times of 1 month or more were totally possible, considering how the Argetinian banks operate, i.e., mob-like) I would get my money _in the local currency_ with the corresponding loss due to exchange rates. AND (that's kind a really big AND, I need bigger caps) the "charge" for the operation was around 100 bucks. PER OPERATION.

"Thats too much" I said. "Yeah, people tend to group operations in half years so transfer is justified" was the answer I got.

I tested this at 3 different banks, got the same reply in all 3. Seriously.

So, now I trade bitcoin. I buy them in the UK, transfer them to my wallet, and use a broker to get the money in my account. The broker takes 2% on all operations, plus their rate is around 2% below of the current BTC price, but I don't mind. At least I'm getting ripped by somebody I want to get ripped by.

And then we have the speed issue: Since Segwit, it can take as little as half an hour to do the whole operation.

2 months ago I woke up with the money in my EU bank account (I'm not an early raiser, may I say), and by noon I had completed all operations and was just waiting for the broker to deposit the money in my local bank account.

BTW, the reason for me using a broker, is that minimum operation volume in LocalBTC is 0.2 BTC, and with the price hike at the middle of 2017 that became a problem; that, plus mostly everybody in Argentina that deals in BTC are fucking histerical trying to do a quick buck, so they start getting nervous if they don't close the operation in under 30 minutes.

And just in case you want to know how the banks operate here, another anecdote:

The dollar fucking doubled it's rate between May and September last year. The measure the gobernment used to stop the rate rise was to take the credit rate to above 70% (Yes, that's a seven followed by a zero).

Then, a lot of people here manage their finances both with credit and debit cards, because it's a lot easier (Unless you want to be carrying a lot of bills in your pockets).

So, what do banks do? They fuck merchants over, by delaying as much as they can transferring the money, because they put that in the financial market (We're speaking in the weeks here, above 3 of them). Even with the fines and shit, they are making shitloads of money. So, that mean that merchants get fucked over twice: they don't get the money in time, and when they get it prices might have changed a lot, so in a lot of cases they end up losing money.

Regarding the questions re:cryptocurrency I'm here for a long time, not a fun time. I mean, I have no problem if I have some fun with it, but it's not the end goal. And it's going to be fun if crypto takes off, as countries / governments are going to have to deal with the implied loss of power.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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Crypto currencies have all seemed like an obscurantist version of hot potato. Either the hash gets too long to calculate effectively or the amount of money at stake means very very smart people will start finding ways to hack the coin (and they will).

But basically the deal crypto developers are trying to make with me is to trade US backed dollars for "fun bux". These developers are usually very smart people - often much smarter than I. But I don't like smart. Take US dollars. Little pieces of green paper are very uncomplicated and if anyone starts copying them armed thugs show up at their house to have a very serious discussion. And my corner chemist takes dead presidents on delivery no questions asked.

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think there's value in reducing the politically privileged's means to dominate their power over the general populaced Cryptocurrency doesn't do this.

Cryptocurrency hasn’t done this yet but it certainly has the potential to do exactly this.

How?

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

#78
post #38

Full disclosure: I work on the cryptocurrency in this article, Algorand. There are a lot of questions and speculation here about this paper and Algorand. I would be happy to try an answer them to your satisfaction. Some context may be helpful first, though. This paper is an innovation about one aspect of our technology. Algorand has a very fast consensus mechanism and can add blocks as quickly as the network can deli…

How does the speed and scalability of Algorand compare to something like nano?

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

money have replaced values already owned by people it didn't pop-up from nothing crypto currencies need to be acquired using either real currencies or through some form of mining, that requires real currencies to acquire the resources needed to bootstrap it the crypto space is already a place where rich got richer, less rich got sometimes more rich, most of the times nothing changed for them, really poor individuals…

Couldn't get started on what? The point of cryptocurrencies wasn't to make people rich. Anyone can buy in at market value and start using coins for their stored value. That is the point. Your anger in the fact that crypto didn't magically create money where there was none before is misplaced. Really poor individuals from poor, economically wrecked countries had quite a lot to gain from the accessibility of cryptocurr…

> Couldn't get started on what?

On owning them.

> Anyone can buy in at market value and start using coins for their stored value

Not everybody can, that's the point.

Almost nobody can, expanding the first point.

It's not really a democratic and open process.

It involves a lot of prerequisites that are usually not met by the general population.

> Look at Venezela's attitude towards Bitcoin.

You mean Maduro's?

AFAIK Maduro made bitcoin mining illegal in Venezuela and arrested more than a few miners.

Or do you mean the Petro Coin (a total scam currency) that Maduro tried to force down Venezuelan's throats?

Re: A faster, more efficient cryptocurrency

#80

I have long wondered how cryptocurrency fans would answer the question: ‘Would you be happy if the crypto-utopia you bring up happens in the next 10 years, and all value is stored/transacted through a cryptocurrency, but it was a coin that you do not possess now, nor could you transfer any of you current currencies into it?’ Say tomorrow someone releases the one true coin, but no one notices. All other cryptocurrenci…

I would be fine with that, but I am not hugely into crypto. I have a bit of BTC somewhere. I considered the money gone as soon as I got it. Had gotten a chunk of money and wanted some of it to go somewhere where it could theoretically make me money. I did increase it at one point by going from BTC to Tether after prices went up, then back again on a dip. I don't even check its worth anymore, it's $100 or less I think. Just a little fun thing. Crypto as a concept still seems interesting to me even if it's not a major interest of mine. Similarly I think ipfs and freenet and such are cool, but have yet to get involved with them.
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