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Re: The magical thinking of guys who love logic

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Post by Aromasin » Mon, Feb 18, 2019, 2:56 PM UTC

yesenadam wrote: post #16

Mirioron wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a foreigner, when I read reddit I feel exactly the same way about left-wing politics. Reading subreddits such as /r/politics or /r/worldnews feels like people are so caught up in their bubble that they refuse to see anything other than what they have already decided upon. Edit: I'm sure the same applies to right wing subreddits, but I don't run into explicitly right wing ones too often. I think that this is not re…

Gee, left-wing politics on reddit! I immediately went to /r/politics to see for myself.. Every story on the landing page is Trump-related.. I looked at one story, the comments are all juvenile, mindless Trump-bashing. Utter waste of time reading it. That is 'left-wing politics'?! I was very disappointed.

Going onto /r/politics for left wing political commentary is like going on /r/The_Donald for right wing political commentary. Why dive into one sphere of the internet and use that to sum up a majority ideology? If I were to do that for the right-wing, and apply your formatting; "Every story on the landing page is Trump-related. I looked at one story, the comments are all juvenile, mindless Trump-worshiping. Utter waste of time reading it. That is 'right-wing politics'?! I was very disappointed." - to be so single-minded about the political spectrum is childish.

You want to understand left-wing politics? Don't go on Reddit, and pick up a book. "The Limits of Neoliberalism", "The Coming Insurrection", "Debt: the First 5,000 Years", "Politics in a Time of Crisis", or "On Intersectionality: Essential Writings" are great reading, or something by Chomski perhaps.

If I was more aligned with the right-wing I'd like people to read "The Free Economy and the Strong State" or "Leviathan", or "The Conservatives Mind". Also all great reading. Not for them to go on Voat or read YouTube comments, and think that the right-wing just wants Trump on a throne because he has some sort of divine right.

Re: The magical thinking of guys who love logic

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Post by yesenadam » Mon, Feb 18, 2019, 4:02 PM UTC

Aromasin wrote: post #21

yesenadam wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gee, left-wing politics on reddit! I immediately went to /r/politics to see for myself.. Every story on the landing page is Trump-related.. I looked at one story, the comments are all juvenile, mindless Trump-bashing. Utter waste of time reading it. That is 'left-wing politics'?! I was very disappointed.

Going onto /r/politics for left wing political commentary is like going on /r/The_Donald for right wing political commentary. Why dive into one sphere of the internet and use that to sum up a majority ideology? If I were to do that for the right-wing, and apply your formatting; "Every story on the landing page is Trump-related. I looked at one story, the comments are all juvenile, mindless Trump-worshiping. Utter was…

>to be so single-minded about the political spectrum is childish

Uh, what? You've utterly misunderstood; knowing nothing about me hasn't stopped you insulting me.. I consider myself left-wing, I just had never seen anything remotely like that on reddit, still haven't - not that I've seen much of reddit. Sorry I didn't make that clear enough. Not very interested in your recommendations after that, thanks; who would be?

Re: The magical thinking of guys who love logic

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Post by CentroAmericano » Mon, Feb 18, 2019, 5:54 PM UTC

beobab wrote: post #6

This is packed full of manipulative language. It reads like propaganda.

It's funny to realize its doing the same thing as the "red pilled" or "woke" communities do: Show some good information, to then tell you their own kind of information (some extreme or emotional non-sense)

Re: The magical thinking of guys who love logic

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Post by tanseydavid » Mon, Feb 18, 2019, 7:41 PM UTC

growlist wrote: post #12

> squished together in a vague Play-Doh ball of smug superiority kind of describes the article itself.

You have put it into perfect terms. Thank you for noticing that.

Re: The magical thinking of guys who love logic

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Feb 18, 2019, 8:19 PM UTC

lostjohnny wrote: post #20

EliRivers wrote: post #18

Reminds me of programmers who like to think of themselves as hyper-rational fact processors; it allows one to deny that one is even capable of having biases.

Some of them could actually be an hyper-rational fact processor. It would be perceived by fellow humans as an anomaly and mistreated. That's what usually happens to people suffering from high functional autism. They can't get a lot of the nuances of non verbal human communication, so they are usually more unbiased, but are perceived as cold-hearted, because people are usually very biased towards those different from…

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Re: The magical thinking of guys who love logic

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Post by belorn » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 8:28 AM UTC

Aromasin wrote: post #21

yesenadam wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gee, left-wing politics on reddit! I immediately went to /r/politics to see for myself.. Every story on the landing page is Trump-related.. I looked at one story, the comments are all juvenile, mindless Trump-bashing. Utter waste of time reading it. That is 'left-wing politics'?! I was very disappointed.

Going onto /r/politics for left wing political commentary is like going on /r/The_Donald for right wing political commentary. Why dive into one sphere of the internet and use that to sum up a majority ideology? If I were to do that for the right-wing, and apply your formatting; "Every story on the landing page is Trump-related. I looked at one story, the comments are all juvenile, mindless Trump-worshiping. Utter was…

The problem I have with that view is that the information that get reported from current left-wing political parties and politicians do not match books like those. It could be that:

1) The journalist reporting is wrong.

2) the current left-wing political parties are not left-wing.

3) the books are not about current left-wing politics, which has changed compared to when those books were written.

For example, Debt: the First 5,000 Years has quite a lot to say about bridge gifts and gender roles which do not blame white men or use some "Patriarchy" theory where women are slaves to men. It does not make women to victim and men to conquers, but rather looking at the issue from a tribal/family resource perspective from an age when those practices were more common. That would be right-wing political view for a lot of people.