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Muscle memory discovery ends 'use it or lose it' dogma

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Re: Muscle memory discovery ends 'use it or lose it' dogma

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Post by Mirioron »

6nf wrote: post #40
Mirioron wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But when you look at some sports, that's exactly what doing that sport on a professional level does.

Yea it's not good, we want to make sports as safe as we can.

No, I mean that participating on that sport will damage your health. Think back on all the talk about TBI in football. There are plenty of rough sports out there that people have no real problems with, because we haven't figured out how exactly it causes damage to your body.

Even just weightlifting on a professional level seems to harm a person's body, but it's only visible once they become older. You can't easily claim that "we ban drugs from sports because it damages people's health" when the sport itself also damages people's health.

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Post by kypro »

drakonka wrote: post #100

I've read about this concept somewhere before and found it really inspiring. I would think that knowing that my gains are "preserved" in some form would actually make me more lazy since I'm less afraid of completely reverting all progress, but in reality it just drives me more to build a nice bank for the future. It's super cool knowing that the effort you put in now will keep paying off years down the line, makes wo…

Being a naturally skinny guy it took me ages to bulk up in my late teens and early twenties. I find it hard to motivate myself to get back in shape today because I know how hard it would be. But this has inspired me.

Re: Muscle memory discovery ends 'use it or lose it' dogma

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Post by ashelmire »

IshKebab wrote: post #85
CptFribble wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. Individual fibers are either On or Off, but individual fibers are grouped into bundles, and any one muscle is composed of many bundles. When you flex a muscle to move a thing, your brain only recruits some of the bundles. The exact amount is determined by some combination of your willpower, focus, training level, and adrenaline. As you train (that is, try really hard to lift something heavy), you teach yo…

That can't be everything though because otherwise your body wouldn't physically change when you train and they clearly do. Also why wouldn't evolution just make us all strong all the time if it only requires neurological changes?

It’s not everything. See muscle hypertrophy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_hypertrophy

Re: Muscle memory discovery ends 'use it or lose it' dogma

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Post by cf141q5325 »

JamesBarney wrote: post #73
prescription wrote: post #57

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As a manner of speaking, the word “banned” indicates a rule forbidding use in formal competition, under penalty of disqualification. But, in the medical sense, there are a number of layers that restrict access to substances, even over the counter drugs are subject to regulation and laws, as well as prescription drugs, research chemicals, known toxins, and hazardous chemicals. All for many different reasons. The class…

> They cause harm, to the point of leaving behind a wake of debilitating destruction among the lives of users, causing awful damage that emerges later, in ruinously subtle ways, or suddenly killing without warning, by way of cardiac problems or strokes. > People use them, the results can be frightening and permanent, and a few years later, deadly. This is exaggerated. There is an increased risk of cardiovascular dise…

>Closer to the risks of taking a medication than a street drug.

Which street drugs? The comparison reminds of making the distinction between "natural" and "chemical" drugs. Sounds nice if you want to convey an image but not a sensible generalization. You will find quite a lot of street drugs that are less dangerous then some types of medication and vice versa.

Re: Muscle memory discovery ends 'use it or lose it' dogma

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Post by adrianN »

IshKebab wrote: post #85
CptFribble wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. Individual fibers are either On or Off, but individual fibers are grouped into bundles, and any one muscle is composed of many bundles. When you flex a muscle to move a thing, your brain only recruits some of the bundles. The exact amount is determined by some combination of your willpower, focus, training level, and adrenaline. As you train (that is, try really hard to lift something heavy), you teach yo…

That can't be everything though because otherwise your body wouldn't physically change when you train and they clearly do. Also why wouldn't evolution just make us all strong all the time if it only requires neurological changes?

Probably a combination of not needing to be very strong (we don't use raw strength to hunt very often) and a metabolic cost.

Re: Muscle memory discovery ends 'use it or lose it' dogma

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Post by afiori »

IshKebab wrote: post #85
CptFribble wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. Individual fibers are either On or Off, but individual fibers are grouped into bundles, and any one muscle is composed of many bundles. When you flex a muscle to move a thing, your brain only recruits some of the bundles. The exact amount is determined by some combination of your willpower, focus, training level, and adrenaline. As you train (that is, try really hard to lift something heavy), you teach yo…

That can't be everything though because otherwise your body wouldn't physically change when you train and they clearly do. Also why wouldn't evolution just make us all strong all the time if it only requires neurological changes?

because the more fibers you use for small movement the more energy you consume and higher the risk of actual damage

Re: Muscle memory discovery ends 'use it or lose it' dogma

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Post by tomp »

drakonka wrote: post #100

I've read about this concept somewhere before and found it really inspiring. I would think that knowing that my gains are "preserved" in some form would actually make me more lazy since I'm less afraid of completely reverting all progress, but in reality it just drives me more to build a nice bank for the future. It's super cool knowing that the effort you put in now will keep paying off years down the line, makes wo…

Just be aware that (allegedly) your "fat gains" are also preserved - fat cells are only created, never destroyed, and those that exist, even if you starve them and they become smaller (i.e. lose fat/reduce body fat percentage), they'd still get "fat" much easier than growing new fat cells.

Or this might all just be bro-science, you never know ...

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Post by maxmcorp »

tomp wrote: post #108
drakonka wrote: post #100

I've read about this concept somewhere before and found it really inspiring. I would think that knowing that my gains are "preserved" in some form would actually make me more lazy since I'm less afraid of completely reverting all progress, but in reality it just drives me more to build a nice bank for the future. It's super cool knowing that the effort you put in now will keep paying off years down the line, makes wo…

Just be aware that (allegedly) your "fat gains" are also preserved - fat cells are only created, never destroyed, and those that exist, even if you starve them and they become smaller (i.e. lose fat/reduce body fat percentage), they'd still get "fat" much easier than growing new fat cells. Or this might all just be bro-science, you never know ...

There is some debate about this. Cells live for about 7 years, so after that the fat cells should also dissapear.

Autophagy might also recycle empty fat cells.

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Post by ptidhomme »

atoav wrote: post #67

When I started playing an instrument again, that I stopped playing ten years ago, all came back. Ofc you need some muscles to play it well (especially when you play something demanding on a bass), but it felt like riding a bike after a long winter.

Same here, I'm currently experiencing this and it's very impressive. After 15 years not playing the guitar, it's been 1 month since I've started again and it's like everything is coming back really fast, even some good practices I had mentally forgotten.
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