I have a very similar experience with bépo (french dvorak-like layout).
I’ve used Dvorak for 10 years, and it’s not all that
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Re: I’ve used Dvorak for 10 years, and it’s not all that
#72I’ve been typing dvorak for the past three years. I can touch type and switch between dvorak and qwerty. I program in dvorak (vim), but my typing is much faster on qwerty(80 wpm on dvorak and 100 wpm on qwerty). I also need to type in korean from time to time. Trying to fit this configuration onto any specific new machine has been a pain. I’ve used karabiner, ukulele and what not for mac, and autohotkey for pc. I for…
Perhaps someone could develop a USB dongle that can convert between keyboard layouts.
Re: I’ve used Dvorak for 10 years, and it’s not all that
#73I’ve been typing dvorak for the past three years. I can touch type and switch between dvorak and qwerty. I program in dvorak (vim), but my typing is much faster on qwerty(80 wpm on dvorak and 100 wpm on qwerty). I also need to type in korean from time to time. Trying to fit this configuration onto any specific new machine has been a pain. I’ve used karabiner, ukulele and what not for mac, and autohotkey for pc. I for…
Perhaps someone could develop a USB dongle that can convert between keyboard layouts.
There are keyboards you can buy which have a switch on them that can toggle between QWERTY, Colemak and Dvorak
Re: I’ve used Dvorak for 10 years, and it’s not all that
#74I tried Dvorak last year and the theory was great but it was a right pain in the ass for programming and using programs keyboard shortcuts in general.
Then I tried Colemak and all was good in the world.
Re: I’ve used Dvorak for 10 years, and it’s not all that
#75I've used Dvorak for over ten years, but I think if you're concerned that typing speed is the bottleneck in 2019 then maybe you should re-evaluate your work. :-P
It's not about speed. The real story is in the comfort it provides long term.
Re: I’ve used Dvorak for 10 years, and it’s not all that
#76> Dvorak isn’t perfect, mainly because most computer interfaces have been designed around a QWERTY interface since their inception. For example, while on a QWERTY keyboard the adjacent shortcuts for Cut, Copy, and Paste can all be pressed with a single hand, Dvorak turns most of them into a two-handed affair. In macOS, you can use the “Dvorak-QWERTY” layout to solve this.
Why not use Colemak to solve it?
Re: I’ve used Dvorak for 10 years, and it’s not all that
#77Considering the author did not begin the Dvorak journey as a touch typist, their experience doesn't carry much weight with me. I took the time to learn Dvorak (years ago), and I found it very much nicer for typing prose. However, I couldn't code with it (and I didn't try a code-focused version). Perhaps I should have tried different Dvorak variations to find one that was still better than QWERTY for writing while als…
> As an aside, why why why do people use the international keyboard layout?
Like you said, you'd prefer to keep the keys you need close to the home row. So when a language has extra letters (compared to English), you preferably put those letters in the three letter rows, and carve them space as needed.
Re: I’ve used Dvorak for 10 years, and it’s not all that
#78I used Dvorak for 5+ years. I eventually stopped for a number of reasons: * Occasionally coworkers or friends will need to type on my keyboards and I grew tired of having to switch back and forth. * Similarly, using someone else's computer would require me to type QWERTY anyway. * I've been trying to reduce the amount of custom configuration I have to maintain and backup to the bare minimum. * It didn't make a differ…
For me that seems to be the biggets downside. Colleagues occasionally need to use my setup (when looking at a problem together for example).
They already complain about me using a 60% board, so I can't imagine putting them through dvorak if they just quickly want to type something. :)
But also, I don't see a great advantage to dvorak. I type about 150WPM on qwerty / azerty and mainly use my keyboard (no mouse) so health concerns are taken care off by having a smaller board and no mouse usage. When I do use the mouse, I also have an ergonomic one.
So yeah.. I don't see the great upside but see potential downsides at work :)
Re: I’ve used Dvorak for 10 years, and it’s not all that
#79Disagree with a lot here. I could touch type before switching to Dvorak, but it’s still been very much worthwhile. Just trying out a single sentence in QWERTY now the difference is stark to me. My fingers move so much. With Dvorak I find there is much much less finger movement. It’s not painless, but I’d recommend it to anyone who types for 8+ hrs a day. It’s not a small optimizations imo.
In terms of finger movement (i.e distance your fingers have to travel) I'd have a look at CarpalX that specifically optimizes based on this metric. Its best layout (QGMLWB) compares favorably to both QWERTY, Dvorak and Colemak as far as that goes.
Re: I’ve used Dvorak for 10 years, and it’s not all that
#80I'm disappointed that this article is no different from all the other articles on keyboard layouts that I've ever encountered and ignores non-English uses. Obviously, a post written in English has no good reason describing a Norwegian-specific alternative to QWERTY, but it still manages to ignore half of the population of English-speaking people by not taking into account using multiple languages on the same keyboard…
There is bépo [1] for french users, I'm currently learning it (it's been 5 days and i'm still soooo slow). What's nice with it is that the special chars are on alt-grad + left hand which is nice for coding (thumb vs pinky)
[1] bepo.fr/wiki/Accueil