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Muscle memory discovery ends 'use it or lose it' dogma

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Re: Muscle memory discovery ends 'use it or lose it' dogma

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Post by jordinl »

leonsmith wrote: post #79
dawidw wrote: post #75

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They are legal medicine. If you suffer from serious disease, doctor will prescribe them to you. Now interesting question is: if someone wants to have big muscles - is it serious disease? In some sense it's similar to silicon breast implants - in both cases it's mental 'disease'/disfunction/discomfort - so some doctor's help is needed. Or surgery due to bad looking nose eg.

Steroids generally prescribed for disease (corticosteroids) are not the same as Anabolic steroids. Same class/grouping but different molecular structure and it's worth making the distinction when talking about the legality of them

Testosterone is used to treat hypogonadism and probably other conditions, so I'm not sure what your point is.

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Post by scruple »

atoav wrote: post #67

When I started playing an instrument again, that I stopped playing ten years ago, all came back. Ofc you need some muscles to play it well (especially when you play something demanding on a bass), but it felt like riding a bike after a long winter.

I'm 15 years removed from the last time I played the Saxophone. I've been thinking about picking one up again recently. I'm hopeful that with some dilligence I could get back to where I was without too much trouble.

Re: Muscle memory discovery ends 'use it or lose it' dogma

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Post by janekm »

EamonnMR wrote: post #46
whatshisface wrote: post #17

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I use my motor neurons to electrically stimulate muscle contraction and it doesn't cost me anything. I mean come on... the wires are already hooked up right in to your brain...

But it requires discipline, while attaching wires to yourself does not.

As many people who bought previous muscle stimulation "as seen on tv" devices bought, it certainly does still require discipline to shock your muscles for an hour or so daily ;)

Re: Muscle memory discovery ends 'use it or lose it' dogma

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Post by dawidw »

jordinl wrote: post #81
leonsmith wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steroids generally prescribed for disease (corticosteroids) are not the same as Anabolic steroids. Same class/grouping but different molecular structure and it's worth making the distinction when talking about the legality of them

Testosterone is used to treat hypogonadism and probably other conditions, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Exactly. Testosterone is just a medicine and it's even prescribed to old ladies if their condition need that (I know one such case). Testosterone gives a lot of power when your body is weak after some other treatment. As a side effect (or maybe desired when due to disease you're losing your muscles) is getting more muscles and energy.

Re: Muscle memory discovery ends 'use it or lose it' dogma

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Post by IshKebab »

CptFribble wrote: post #60
__xjb__ wrote: post #55

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If I'm not mistaken, muscle fibers can only fire maximally--a muscle fiber either fires (maximally) or it doesn't fire. Isn't muscle fiber recruitment what differentiates delicate, precise motions from gross, explosive motions?

Yes and no. Individual fibers are either On or Off, but individual fibers are grouped into bundles, and any one muscle is composed of many bundles. When you flex a muscle to move a thing, your brain only recruits some of the bundles. The exact amount is determined by some combination of your willpower, focus, training level, and adrenaline. As you train (that is, try really hard to lift something heavy), you teach yo…

That can't be everything though because otherwise your body wouldn't physically change when you train and they clearly do.

Also why wouldn't evolution just make us all strong all the time if it only requires neurological changes?

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Post by kfwhp »

jordinl wrote: post #78
55555 wrote: post #54

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lol they are illegal... they are banned for citizens by the government.

This is incorrect. What's banned (in many western countries) is distribution unless there is a medical prescription. But nothing prevents people from using them, same with other drugs like cocaine and heroine.

Which is exactly the definition of being "banned".

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Post by leonsmith »

jordinl wrote: post #81
leonsmith wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steroids generally prescribed for disease (corticosteroids) are not the same as Anabolic steroids. Same class/grouping but different molecular structure and it's worth making the distinction when talking about the legality of them

Testosterone is used to treat hypogonadism and probably other conditions, so I'm not sure what your point is.

I just thought in the legality discussion its worth making sure people are talking about the same class of steroids as they are already treated and classified differently under the law.

Anabolic steroids are a Class C drug in the UK so in general are illegal to possess and distribute unless prescribed.

  Steroids are not legal lol 
  They are legal medicine
So both these statements are true and false depending on which class of steroid you are talking about or if you are talking about the group as a whole. So to have a productive discussion on the legality you need to be specific about which class and not group them together.

Anabolic steroids are illegal in the US and UK (unless otherwise prescribed) whilst most of the other classes in the UK at least are not illegal to possess or even distribute

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Post by sundvor »

janekm wrote: post #83
EamonnMR wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it requires discipline, while attaching wires to yourself does not.

As many people who bought previous muscle stimulation "as seen on tv" devices bought, it certainly does still require discipline to shock your muscles for an hour or so daily ;)

I'm going to argue that it would be easier to just go and squat out those 5x5s.

The size of the squat rack is another issue however.

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

cc81 wrote: post #70
jjeaff wrote: post #32

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This is also evidenced in the endless submissions to r/fitness on Reddit where 17-19 year olds post their before and after pics bragging about how they didn't use any steroids and when asked about diet, they "just tried to eat healthy". Puberty releases all natural steroids.

Yeah, that is true but also note that a lot of people in that age DO use steroids but no one admits it. The whole fitness industry is built on people on steroids trying sell others that they are not on steroids. Except heavy weight bodybuilding of course where it is too obvious.

Also "vegan" bodybuilders who made all their gains while they were still meat eaters.

Re: Muscle memory discovery ends 'use it or lose it' dogma

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Post by jordinl »

kfwhp wrote: post #86
jordinl wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is incorrect. What's banned (in many western countries) is distribution unless there is a medical prescription. But nothing prevents people from using them, same with other drugs like cocaine and heroine.

Which is exactly the definition of being "banned".

Is that right? How come you can find them in pharmacies?
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