This is so sad: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/muslims-...
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Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even if so, you agree? Acceptable? Silly statement.
I think the point of coldtea's comment is that: - We're being inconsistent with our criticism, unwilling to apply it as a universal standard - We're talking about others (Chinese) needing to rebel, blaming this on brainwashing, without adknowledging our own inability and unwillingness to act, without being willing to label this brainwashing - We're building over the course of increasingly ignorant veiled-criticism po…
> We're being inconsistent with our criticism, unwilling to apply it as a universal standard
How do you even know? These complaints are never in direct response to a person who clearly espoused a hypocritical position, it's just general talking into the room, or in response to an assumption.
> rather than addressing the global systemic abuse
How is "but the NSA" achieving that? Or simply assuming someone else has this
> "blindspot" of admitting our own state
... what is "our", here? Americans? Humans? Carbon-based lifeforms? "The West"? If you have to make everything this diffuse and global and systemic to even tackle it, what's your proposed first step? What is a comment you like?
> Sunday morning HN comment anguish over the Uighurs of China is navel gazing.
I don't know what sunday morning HN comment anguish is supposed to be, but I know that not looking away, even when you could have easily looked away and people would prefer you to, is always good, even just for the person doing it.
Re: Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reminds me of the United State's lockdown of Middle Easterners, and the surveillance police state that got legally empowered by post-9/11 doctrine.
> Please don't use Hacker News primarily for political or ideological battle. This destroys intellectual curiosity, and we ban accounts that do it. You've been doing this too much. Please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
The fucking irony of watching this comment get removed before my eyes, in this context, with this crowd.
Not cool HN not cool. Could ye please quit censoring non harassing, relevant and sorely lacking opinion? Hide behind the excuse that it was flagged by users all you like, bigmonads is not a troll as 2 minutes looking at his post history (or the deleted comment) attest.
edit: wow -3 in 6 minutes - for standing up for basic discussion and lack of censorship - wtf happened to you hn );
Re: Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang
#74Most people look at Orwell’s “1984” as a warning; China seems to be using it as a How-to manual.
China does seem to be emulating the West - not it's books, but its policies.
1. No, China is leading the way
2. Why do about 20% of comments about China's inhumane activities need to drag in an unrelated region. It almost comes across as a deliberate attempt to muddy the issue with an irrational/irrelevant regional/nationalistic divide.
Re: Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think we have seen anything like this in history. In past it was different, because your possibilities for collecting and processing information were much more limited. Also the security apparatus had to employ huge number of people, making it harder to control and less reliable.
Definitely. Remember when the Snowden documents disclosed the Utah facilities keeping ~5 years of every communication record of every person, processed into the most actionable metadata, and the related capabilities to search and correlate the content, interrelationships, and signals implicit across those communications? This is something that could only be targeted decades ago. Now its cost-admissible to run at scal…
There was a time when your comments here would be discussed and generally agreed with instead of blindly downvoted and removed.
Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time HN had a good discussion about US censorship and surveillance.
Weird.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why have you made ~5-6 comments in this thread, and all about some version of whataboutism?
I reject the accusation of "whataboutism". Let's take those in order. "Why have I made 5~6 comments in the thread?" It's an interesting topic that I've spent over 5 years researching. "Why are you talking about the United States in a China thread?" I think this comment captures it well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19185364
Well I'm gonna be one of the people downvoting all the whataboutism I see, if you have 13 comments doing it that's 13 downvotes.
Immorality in one region isn't excused by immorality in another. If what you mean to say is "This is absolutely inexcusable in China, and inexcusable in the West too" that's fine, but completely irrelevant to the article at hand, but I don't think that's what you're saying.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the point of coldtea's comment is that: - We're being inconsistent with our criticism, unwilling to apply it as a universal standard - We're talking about others (Chinese) needing to rebel, blaming this on brainwashing, without adknowledging our own inability and unwillingness to act, without being willing to label this brainwashing - We're building over the course of increasingly ignorant veiled-criticism po…
That. To add: 1) The complaints are often either hypocritical or naive, mirroring whatever target the official US policy (and thus media) have at that year. People oblivious to 99% of the goings-on around the world merely parrot opinions they read in the media about 1-2 select places, in tandem with official national "interests" against those places. At the same time when you see tons of blog posts, and media stories…
> People oblivious to 99% of the goings-on around the world merely parrot opinions they read in the media about 1-2 select places
If you had been about to respond to that commenter "You are oblivious to 99% of the going on's around the world [0] and merely parrot opinions you read in the media", that probably would have given you pause. Being more indirect isn't being more polite, in my books.
[0] that could be parsed as either "to 99% of the stuff of which I am aware of, so I am aware of 100 times more things than you", or as "to 99% of all the stuff that actually goes on the world, which would mean you are aware of 1% of everything going on right now, which would make you something between Q and God", both of which are silly.
> At the same time when you see tons of blog posts, and media stories and so on (and movies and TV series) against country/situation X, you don't see any about country Y which is similarly or much worse, but an ally (or indifferent).
Another way to look at it is that 99.999% (exactly) of the stories here are basically fluff that can disappear quicker than you say "whoops" if the serious stuff isn't dealt with. How come that the precious few cases when something serious, whether it's in the US or elsewhere, gets some attention, are played off against each other? What does this achieve? What does this create room for? It's not a zero-sum game, where making assumptions about a commenter who made a very short comment stating a simple fact, without a hint of any of the stuff you conjure up, somehow improves discussion taking place elsewhere or in the future.
Re: Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang
#78Why did that take a data breach? I already assumed they were tracking 300+mm of thier population.
Are you asking why reputable news organizations don't publish assumptions?
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except Facebook and Google aren't operating mass incarceration camps that target people solely based on ethnic/religious affiliation. The moral dubiousness of working for Google isn't the same as working as an informant for the Chinese secret police.
Facebook does play a pretty direct role in the ongoing Rohingya genocide.
Facebook has paramilitary factions genociding the Rohingya? I'm not denying that Facebook played a role in the spread of misinformation and conspiracy theories in Myanmar but to place the blame directly on them is absurd. Facebook is just an ill-moderated medium.
Re: Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Definitely. Remember when the Snowden documents disclosed the Utah facilities keeping ~5 years of every communication record of every person, processed into the most actionable metadata, and the related capabilities to search and correlate the content, interrelationships, and signals implicit across those communications? This is something that could only be targeted decades ago. Now its cost-admissible to run at scal…
There was a time when your comments here would be discussed and generally agreed with instead of blindly downvoted and removed. Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time HN had a good discussion about US censorship and surveillance. Weird.
Well as somebody who is very anti US-monitoring, let me help you understand:
Your comments are so unproductive (i.e. emotional/irrelevant/us-vs-them) that they actually undermine the cause you say you're concerned about. You give the rest of us a bad name.