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Air Force 'rods from god' kinetic weapon could hit with nuclear-weapon force

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Interesting that this was literally the major plot point in one of the GI Joe movies. I wonder if they got the idea from the movie. If you google around, the weapon in the movie created a lot of discussion about the real life viability and physics involved about this exact topic.

Here’s a clip of the weapon being used in the movie: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jOKf5r_JMAo

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post #11

Interesting that this was literally the major plot point in one of the GI Joe movies. I wonder if they got the idea from the movie. If you google around, the weapon in the movie created a lot of discussion about the real life viability and physics involved about this exact topic. Here’s a clip of the weapon being used in the movie: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jOKf5r_JMAo

"During the Vietnam War, the US used what it called "Lazy Dog" bombs. "

Sure, they got the idea from the GI Joe movies /s

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post #11

Interesting that this was literally the major plot point in one of the GI Joe movies. I wonder if they got the idea from the movie. If you google around, the weapon in the movie created a lot of discussion about the real life viability and physics involved about this exact topic. Here’s a clip of the weapon being used in the movie: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jOKf5r_JMAo

It is a much older idea than that:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

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There's an economic incentive for the moon base! Since it's so expensive to bring heavy payloads up by rocket we can just mine them on the moon. It surely won't be too long until the US needs to mass-produce the godrods anyway.

From the moon, you don’t need high quality weapons; you can compensate by increasing mass. And that moon base could become independ3nt because of its ability to launch rocks (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moon_Is_a_Harsh_Mistress...)

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> 20 feet long, 1 foot in diameter tungsten rods I was curious about the price of this so I did some monster math (FYI complete arms layman, serious errors are likely). Raw materials: Volume is 15.7 cu ft = 444,574.5 cm3. Density is 19.3g/cm3 = 8,580 kg. Estimated price of $30.3k per metric ton [1] = $260k in tungsten. Cheap. Now for launch price. SpaceX advertises $90 million for 8 metric tons launched into low-eart…

That price per ton doesn't include making it in the desired shape, though, right? Tungsten is very tough to work with, so I imagine that'd add significantly to the price, though I've no idea how much.

It would be eclipsed by the price of getting it into orbit, making it a rounding error.

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How accurate can it be - or does it only work when there is almost no wind? Also, isn't there a maximum velocity based on air drag - if so, can something similar not be dropped from a plane?

I'd imagine at that speed (mach 8) it spends only a few short seconds in the part of the atmosphere that is dense enough to cause it to deviate from wind. Maybe a few metres? The thing I was more curious about is how they drop it from non-geostationary orbit and still have it entering the atmosphere and landing at the right place.

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post #11

Interesting that this was literally the major plot point in one of the GI Joe movies. I wonder if they got the idea from the movie. If you google around, the weapon in the movie created a lot of discussion about the real life viability and physics involved about this exact topic. Here’s a clip of the weapon being used in the movie: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jOKf5r_JMAo

"During the Vietnam War, the US used what it called "Lazy Dog" bombs. " Sure, they got the idea from the GI Joe movies /s

Not the op, but just wanted to note various technologies in the past have been inspired by fiction: https://screenrant.com/star-trek-real-life-gadgets/

It’s a symbiotic relationship at times. Eg Computers became a thing, fiction ran with it and made up hand held tablet computers, Tricorders, universal translators etc, which materially (not always exclusively) influence future technology designs and directions. Today we have real tablet computers, universal translators etc which were inspired by fiction.

Edit: I missed the specific point being made that the Vietnam War was well, well before the GI Joe movies in question. Apologies!

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> 20 feet long, 1 foot in diameter tungsten rods I was curious about the price of this so I did some monster math (FYI complete arms layman, serious errors are likely). Raw materials: Volume is 15.7 cu ft = 444,574.5 cm3. Density is 19.3g/cm3 = 8,580 kg. Estimated price of $30.3k per metric ton [1] = $260k in tungsten. Cheap. Now for launch price. SpaceX advertises $90 million for 8 metric tons launched into low-eart…

That price per ton doesn't include making it in the desired shape, though, right? Tungsten is very tough to work with, so I imagine that'd add significantly to the price, though I've no idea how much.

It just needs to be more or less a rod. The exact shape doesn't matter much, so there's not going to be much working it, just melt it into a rod and done. (There are some ceramics that can handle the necessary temperature.)

You can also sinter it, it doesn't need to be especially strong, just hold itself together while falling, and sintering can make it strong enough.

The strength plays no part at all when it impacts. At the energy involved it might as well be a noodle. It just needs to handle the heat and resistance of reentry. Mainly heat.

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> 20 feet long, 1 foot in diameter tungsten rods I was curious about the price of this so I did some monster math (FYI complete arms layman, serious errors are likely). Raw materials: Volume is 15.7 cu ft = 444,574.5 cm3. Density is 19.3g/cm3 = 8,580 kg. Estimated price of $30.3k per metric ton [1] = $260k in tungsten. Cheap. Now for launch price. SpaceX advertises $90 million for 8 metric tons launched into low-eart…

That price per ton doesn't include making it in the desired shape, though, right? Tungsten is very tough to work with, so I imagine that'd add significantly to the price, though I've no idea how much.

It'd be funny if someone would try to cast it in shape by melting it.

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post #3

I have my doubts. You would have to stop it from orbiting first (8km/s). What kind of rocket would be needed to get 8km/s deceleration of 12 tons on LEO? And it would only gain 10km/s. Why not go directly from the ground then?

It doesn't even take 1km/s to deorbit. https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/12011/how-could-a-...

Yeah but you'd want your orbital kinetic weapon to pass through as little atmosphere as possible to minimize aerodynamic breaking and to reduce the accuracy problems inherent in those aerodynamic effects. The steeper the reentry, the better, which means a greater delta-v requirement.
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