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What ABC called "pink slime," USDA now says can be labeled "ground beef"

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Re: What ABC called "pink slime," USDA now says can be labeled "ground beef"

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Post by wolco »

sp332 wrote: post #34
Meekro wrote: post #14

The "pink slime" story is mostly fake news. ABC News coined the term, and later paid $177 million to settle a lawsuit over it. It was the largest defamation settlement in the history of the United States. The story took on a life of its own, though. This image[1] became synonymous with "pink slime" (and still appears in a Google image search for the term) even though nobody knows where the image came from. Didn't sto…

I was super disappointed with Jamie Oliver's protest video against pink slime. He threw animal bits into a blender or something, and then put the result into a washing machine with a bunch of ammonia. I like the guy in general but this was awful.

That's the process. Bits of meat with ammonia going around in circles.

Re: What ABC called "pink slime," USDA now says can be labeled "ground beef"

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Post by cageface »

nightski wrote: post #59
cageface wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a set of reflexive attitudes about food that are largely uncorrelated with health, nutrition or the environment, but are strongly correlated with the social class of who eats what. I wish this point was brought up more in nutrition discussions. Most of these recent fad diets like keto, paleo, and carnivore are beyond the means of most people in the world. So even if we accept, for the sake of argument (which…

keto a fad diet? It's been around since the 1920s...

For treating epileptics yes, not as a diet recommended for general use.

https://www.epilepsy.com/learn/treating-seizures-and-epileps...

Re: What ABC called "pink slime," USDA now says can be labeled "ground beef"

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

Posting this snopes link at the top level, because there is a lot of misinformation in these comments: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/legal-separation/

Lean finely textured beef (what is called "pink slime" in the main article) is NOT the same thing, nor it is a further refinement, of mechanically separated meat. Mechanically separated beef, which increases dangers of "mad cow disease" because it can cause neural tissue to be included in the final product, is not allowed for human consumption in the US.

Re: What ABC called "pink slime," USDA now says can be labeled "ground beef"

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #56
rgbrenner wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's the same thing. The beef trimmings they're referring to in the article are those left on the carcass after the meat has been removed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_meat_recovery

I realize the HackerNews guidelines disallow comments that begin with "Did you even read the article?!", but I have to wonder if that prohibition applies to comments that themselves post a link that directly contradicts what is being argued. That exact link you posted states: > USDA regulations for procurement of frozen fresh ground beef products state that "Beef that is mechanically separated from bone with automati…

ANR / MRM is allowed in human food in this US. The Wikipedia link the the parent comment states, with regard to US regulation:

Furthermore, all AMR-processed product from cattle more than 30 months old now is prohibited from being used for food, and such product from younger cattle and from other livestock species also is prohibited if it contains CNS material.

Re: What ABC called "pink slime," USDA now says can be labeled "ground beef"

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Post by fucking_tragedy »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #65
Pharmakon wrote: post #26

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It is much higher in fat, and much lower in protein than meat. It also contains pulverized bone, nerve tissue and more. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanically_separated_meat This puree includes bone, bone marrow, skin, nerves, blood vessels, and the scraps of meat remaining on the bones. The resulting product is a blend primarily consisting of tissues not generally considered meat along with a much smaller amou…

> This puree includes bone, bone marrow, skin, nerves, blood vessels, and the scraps of meat remaining on the bones. Is there something inherently wrong with eating any of this stuff? People eat heart, liver, kidney. I can’t see how bone and skin, or blood vessels could be bad for you.

Nerve tissues can carry prion diseases. Here's a study[1] on bovine prions in peripheral nerve tissue.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3321908/

Re: What ABC called "pink slime," USDA now says can be labeled "ground beef"

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Post by warent »

brandonmenc wrote: post #47

Pretty sure I saw this quote here a while back: "When indigenous peoples work to make use of all of an animal we call it respect. Do it in a factory and all of the sudden it is gross."

It's not surprising that we can make anything sound however we want by stripping away the context. Let's try adding it back in.

"When indigenous peoples work to make use of all of an animal we call it respect.

Do it in a factory [producing a collagen/cartilage slurry cleansed with ammonia; to maximize profits], and all of the sudden it is gross."

Re: What ABC called "pink slime," USDA now says can be labeled "ground beef"

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Post by adrr »

sp332 wrote: post #25
Pharmakon wrote: post #19

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If you're picky about what's in your ground beef, find a butcher you trust, or grind your own. A lot of people lack the education to know that many more lack the time, energy and money to make it work. I guess the answer why this should upset you is that it shouldn’t, unless you’re troubled by empathy as many of us are.

It's still beef though. If I'm getting a burger at a McDonald's or something, this is fine.

It’s not ground beef. There is no grinder grinding up chunks of meat which is the definition of ground beef. It’s mechanically separated meat and should be called that not ground beef.

Re: What ABC called "pink slime," USDA now says can be labeled "ground beef"

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Post by rory096 »

rgbrenner wrote: post #63
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realize the HackerNews guidelines disallow comments that begin with "Did you even read the article?!", but I have to wonder if that prohibition applies to comments that themselves post a link that directly contradicts what is being argued. That exact link you posted states: > USDA regulations for procurement of frozen fresh ground beef products state that "Beef that is mechanically separated from bone with automati…

Dude.. you're commenting on an article right now that changes that rule. BPI uses AMR to recover the scraps. You can now call it ground beef. That's what we're all talking about it. That's what the article is about.

No, the rule is about labeling. Not what is allowed for human consumption.

FTA:

>As cattle carcasses are turned into steaks at a processing plant, knife-wielding workers cut fatty edges off the meat. These carcass cuttings, or “trim”—about 1/3 of each animal’s weight —contain small portions of edible meat, which can be used to make ground beef.

Re: What ABC called "pink slime," USDA now says can be labeled "ground beef"

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Post by sp332 »

wolco wrote: post #71
sp332 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was super disappointed with Jamie Oliver's protest video against pink slime. He threw animal bits into a blender or something, and then put the result into a washing machine with a bunch of ammonia. I like the guy in general but this was awful.

That's the process. Bits of meat with ammonia going around in circles.

No. They spray a mist of ammonia over the meat to disinfect it. It's not an ingredient.
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