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Ask HN: Is it practical to create a software-controlled model rocket?

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Re: Ask HN: Is it practical to create a software-controlled model rocket?

#31
What do you mean by "practical?" Model rockets are for hobbyists. Practicality isn't a part of the equation. The only reason to fly a model rocket at all is that it's cool.

There's no "practical" reason to make it land vertically. Model rockets can land safely using parachutes.

Re: Ask HN: Is it practical to create a software-controlled model rocket?

#32
Arduino hardware is barely capable of running a simple one-variable PID loop at a high sampling rate, say 1Khz. A rocket control software will require a full-blown MIMO model with complex transfer functions. You'll also need high ports speed; Arduino won't cut it. At the very least you'll need something like a Cortex-R5.

Re: Ask HN: Is it practical to create a software-controlled model rocket?

#33
Copenhagen Suborbitals do thrust vectoring, and if I remember correctly the 4 jetvanes are controlled by an arduino .

The software is written by one guy in his freetime. Pretty amazing feat, considering how difficult it is, and that he has no way of testing it before the actual launch. It worked flawlessly the first time.

Here's a video of the Nexø 1 launch that uses the system to control the rocket on its ascent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iTg55Ktkn4

This video shows some technical data streamed live from the rocket that gives a good overview of what the jetvanes are doing. Notice the graphic in the lower left corner; The H in the middle is the floating launch platform (12x14 meters) and the moving red dot is the position of the rocket in the X-Y plane. On the whole trip it never moves more than a few meters from the center. Really impressive stuff...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km7-2Ds6_Xs

I know it's not exactly what you're asking, but it's close, so I thought it might have some value.

Re: Ask HN: Is it practical to create a software-controlled model rocket?

#34

BPS.space is attempting it. Test Launch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQt-9SSJ51c Test Landing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXy-x6lkQvQ

Ah wow I watched a bunch of his videos last summer but forgot to check up on his progress. Incredible!

I wonder what scale you would need to get the rocket into space/orbit? SpaceX should fund this guy to find out, could prove to be a valuable bootcamp for real SpaceX employees in the future?

Re: Ask HN: Is it practical to create a software-controlled model rocket?

#35

You will blow up several engines if you try to make a liquid fueled engine. Get yourself a copy of https://www.amazon.com/Rockets-Missiles-Men-Space-Definitive... which is the story of a German rocket club which first got shut down by the Nazis because "somebody could get hurt" and then the Nazis thought it over... Probably your best bet is a hypergolic monopropellant such as hydrogen peroxide.

Trying to buy high test hydrogen peroxide (high concentration) might well get you flagged by the police as its used in bombmaking

Re: Ask HN: Is it practical to create a software-controlled model rocket?

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post #25

You will blow up several engines if you try to make a liquid fueled engine. Get yourself a copy of https://www.amazon.com/Rockets-Missiles-Men-Space-Definitive... which is the story of a German rocket club which first got shut down by the Nazis because "somebody could get hurt" and then the Nazis thought it over... Probably your best bet is a hypergolic monopropellant such as hydrogen peroxide.

I agree, that looking - though very carefully! - into hydrogen peroxide could be a good approach. However, "hypergolic monopropellant" is like clapping with one hand. "Hypergolic" means "self-igniting by the contact with the other component", it's a property of a component of a pair, not of a single substance. For example (see J. Clark, Ignition!) nitric acid is hypergolic with turpentine, but not hypergolic with ker…

In the case of a hydrogen peroxide rocket, the reaction is triggered when the peroxide hits a catalyst.

Re: Ask HN: Is it practical to create a software-controlled model rocket?

#37

You will blow up several engines if you try to make a liquid fueled engine. Get yourself a copy of https://www.amazon.com/Rockets-Missiles-Men-Space-Definitive... which is the story of a German rocket club which first got shut down by the Nazis because "somebody could get hurt" and then the Nazis thought it over... Probably your best bet is a hypergolic monopropellant such as hydrogen peroxide.

Trying to buy high test hydrogen peroxide (high concentration) might well get you flagged by the police as its used in bombmaking

30% hydrogen peroxide is commonly used in laboratories and can be used to make Triacetone Triperoxide, which is the reason why you can't take a full-sized bottle of shampoo on a plane.

A bottle that large of TATP could blow up a plane but you'd be lucky to make it to the airport with it before it explodes.

The 90%+ stuff used in rocketry is hard to get because it is dangerous to handle.

Re: Ask HN: Is it practical to create a software-controlled model rocket?

#38
post #22

It's likely to be difficult. I heard a good analogy once: imagine balancing a broom, handle pointed straight down, on one fingertip. It's not that hard. Now imagine balancing a toothpick. Impossible. Scale matters. Bigger things are more stable.

gyroscopic trajectory correction

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.engine... [PDF]

Re: Ask HN: Is it practical to create a software-controlled model rocket?

#39
post #5

Be really careful. Adding guidance to a hobby rocket may classify it as a missile, and you will need to start looking into ITAR.

yes this can classify as a hobby device but there will be threshold that will attract ITAR abd DHS
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