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Microsoft begins work on its 2020 Windows releases in new preview

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Re: Microsoft begins work on its 2020 Windows releases in new preview

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I work using a TV screen from a distance to protect my eyes. Microsoft pissed me off when they removed the ability to selectively increase font-size of elements like context menus, labels, content / message boxes... Without this, I'd have to zoom everything - font, and icons - pixelated and ugly! Now I'm forced to use winaero tweaker which doesn't allow all the changes I could in Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and earlier version…

With custom UI toolkits more prevalent than ever these days, do such tweaks even work across a wide range of applications?

Generally, if stuff like this breaks I usually drop the application.

Re: Microsoft begins work on its 2020 Windows releases in new preview

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Great. Did they bring back the color-scheme editor? Now that everyone is (30+ years later) finally realizing that inverse-video color schemes are dumb... Microsoft REMOVED the color-scheme editor from Windows. WTF?

I work using a TV screen from a distance to protect my eyes. Microsoft pissed me off when they removed the ability to selectively increase font-size of elements like context menus, labels, content / message boxes... Without this, I'd have to zoom everything - font, and icons - pixelated and ugly! Now I'm forced to use winaero tweaker which doesn't allow all the changes I could in Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and earlier version…

I totally forgot about this feature from my pre Mac windows XP days

Re: Microsoft begins work on its 2020 Windows releases in new preview

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The biggest problem with Microsoft is them not sticking to their strength. I was an avid fanboy till Windows 7. This was an OS that could cater to power users- keyboard shortcuts, powershell (shitty console but anyway). They started running after the touch segment and deliberately removed the keyboard interface. They didn't get the app-buyers and the keyboard people (like me) probably left them. Linux is mature now,…

> They started running after the touch segment and deliberately removed the keyboard interface. They didn't get the app-buyers and the keyboard people (like me) probably left them.

I get that for ordinary users it's a dealbreaker, but I never understood this complaint about the Windows 8 touch UI from power users or developers. It takes maybe 5 minutes to download and install Classic Shell and suddenly you have a classic UI that lets you forget the new Windows 8 UI ever existed. Otherwise the OS itself was quite better than Windows 7. How that UI change makes it such a dealbreaker just makes no sense to me. If you'd complained about your Linux kernel they'd have just said boo-hoo and told you to go compile your kernel to your liking... but now when it's Windows's turn suddenly the start screen is a showstopper for the whole OS you were such a fan of?

Re: Microsoft begins work on its 2020 Windows releases in new preview

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The biggest problem with Microsoft is them not sticking to their strength. I was an avid fanboy till Windows 7. This was an OS that could cater to power users- keyboard shortcuts, powershell (shitty console but anyway). They started running after the touch segment and deliberately removed the keyboard interface. They didn't get the app-buyers and the keyboard people (like me) probably left them. Linux is mature now,…

> They started running after the touch segment and deliberately removed the keyboard interface. They didn't get the app-buyers and the keyboard people (like me) probably left them. I get that for ordinary users it's a dealbreaker, but I never understood this complaint about the Windows 8 touch UI from power users or developers. It takes maybe 5 minutes to download and install Classic Shell and suddenly you have a cla…

> It takes maybe 5 minutes to download and install Classic Shell and suddenly you have a classic UI

1. Where would a user even learn about a "Classic Shell"?

2. Why would a power user install a third-party thing that radically changes the way the system looks? And one whose development stopped in 2017?

3. And, in general, why? It's the OS' job to provide interfaces for power users.

Re: Microsoft begins work on its 2020 Windows releases in new preview

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> They started running after the touch segment and deliberately removed the keyboard interface. They didn't get the app-buyers and the keyboard people (like me) probably left them. I get that for ordinary users it's a dealbreaker, but I never understood this complaint about the Windows 8 touch UI from power users or developers. It takes maybe 5 minutes to download and install Classic Shell and suddenly you have a cla…

> It takes maybe 5 minutes to download and install Classic Shell and suddenly you have a classic UI 1. Where would a user even learn about a "Classic Shell"? 2. Why would a power user install a third-party thing that radically changes the way the system looks? And one whose development stopped in 2017? 3. And, in general, why? It's the OS' job to provide interfaces for power users.

1. Google old start menu. It's literally the top result.

2/3. Sigh. I didn't realize setting up Classic Shell was so much harder than setting up a Linux box for a power user, I'm sorry. Power users definitely should be the ones to expect their OSes to be perfect for them out of the box, and it's definitely nuts to expect they'd be the ones to customize their systems.

Re: Microsoft begins work on its 2020 Windows releases in new preview

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The biggest problem with Microsoft is them not sticking to their strength. I was an avid fanboy till Windows 7. This was an OS that could cater to power users- keyboard shortcuts, powershell (shitty console but anyway). They started running after the touch segment and deliberately removed the keyboard interface. They didn't get the app-buyers and the keyboard people (like me) probably left them. Linux is mature now,…

Win 10 is pretty ok for keyboard users.

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With custom UI toolkits more prevalent than ever these days, do such tweaks even work across a wide range of applications?

Generally, if stuff like this breaks I usually drop the application.

That's assuming you can drop it.

Re: Microsoft begins work on its 2020 Windows releases in new preview

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The biggest problem with Microsoft is them not sticking to their strength. I was an avid fanboy till Windows 7. This was an OS that could cater to power users- keyboard shortcuts, powershell (shitty console but anyway). They started running after the touch segment and deliberately removed the keyboard interface. They didn't get the app-buyers and the keyboard people (like me) probably left them. Linux is mature now,…

> They started running after the touch segment and deliberately removed the keyboard interface. They didn't get the app-buyers and the keyboard people (like me) probably left them. I get that for ordinary users it's a dealbreaker, but I never understood this complaint about the Windows 8 touch UI from power users or developers. It takes maybe 5 minutes to download and install Classic Shell and suddenly you have a cla…

Looks changed, but a lot of actions worked the same in Windows 8 from what I remember. The start screen obviously looks different from the old start menu, but in both 7 and 8, you could hit your super key and start typing something to search, which for me was often how I launched applications or found settings. You could still open the run box with super-r, they added that new menu with lots of options like shutting down (super-x IIRC). A lot of people didn't actually try to use Windows 8 like power users. I often defended it early on, and was of the opinion that the visual changes barely mattered. I stopped using Windows entirely before Windows 10 came out. More because I always thought GNU/Linux was better and I'd finally gotten brave enough to go all in than because of a Windows change.

I also tend to advocate for a minimal tiling window manager over the major desktop environments in the GNU/Linux world, but something I noticed is that Windows has some really specific keyboard shortcuts that not even GNOME and KDE had. Using Windows without a mouse is surprisingly doable. You can even hit super-b to move the cursor to your tray icons, and from there use space/enter to "click", your menu key for right click equivalent, etc. I think having good keyboard shortcuts in a GUI is really underrated. I use a lot of command line stuff, but a GUI with good keyboard shortcuts is sort of the best of both worlds.

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The biggest problem with Microsoft is them not sticking to their strength. I was an avid fanboy till Windows 7. This was an OS that could cater to power users- keyboard shortcuts, powershell (shitty console but anyway). They started running after the touch segment and deliberately removed the keyboard interface. They didn't get the app-buyers and the keyboard people (like me) probably left them. Linux is mature now,…

> They started running after the touch segment and deliberately removed the keyboard interface. They didn't get the app-buyers and the keyboard people (like me) probably left them. I get that for ordinary users it's a dealbreaker, but I never understood this complaint about the Windows 8 touch UI from power users or developers. It takes maybe 5 minutes to download and install Classic Shell and suddenly you have a cla…

To shutdown Windows 8 (not 8.1), you had to swipe from the right to bring up the "charms" thing and that's where the shutdown option was.

I remember myself having to search for "how to shutdown Windows 8" and feeling like a moron because I really couldn't figure it out on my own.

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