Also related, lazarus 2.0 was recently announced. It even has an online package manager.
24 years of Delphi and Delphi 10.3.1 is out Today
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Re: 24 years of Delphi and Delphi 10.3.1 is out Today
#42I get the feeling that, just like cockroaches, Delphi will survive a nuclear apocalpyse...
Re: 24 years of Delphi and Delphi 10.3.1 is out Today
#43Embarcadero tools and ides, are super expensive considering that most developer tools are either free (visual studio developer is free for individuals), or way cheaper (jetbrains) I really dont know who their target customer is, but then again, when I look around, I find tools like windev (PC-Soft) and Clarion (softvelocity) have a loyal following Except of course that embarcadero, is way more expensive Free-pascal i…
Most of their target audience is stuck maintaining a legacy system developed decades ago and will happily pay the premium as long as it's cheaper than rewriting everything using a modern stack.
Re: 24 years of Delphi and Delphi 10.3.1 is out Today
#44Back in the late 90's this was my favorite development environment. Still have fond memories of it. Back when "Rapid Application Development" was the buzzword of the day, it actually delivered.
I cut my teeth on Delphi 1.0. Got tons of mileage out of Delphi 2 & 3. Delphi 5 Enterprise was the last IDE I paid for out of my own pocket ($2000!).
I missed it terribly when I moved on to Java (getters and setters?!? the horror!). I can't imagine going back now, though. Java is mostly a memory. Javascript, Clojure, and Rust in programmer's editors are enough.
Re: 24 years of Delphi and Delphi 10.3.1 is out Today
#45Embarcadero tools and ides, are super expensive considering that most developer tools are either free (visual studio developer is free for individuals), or way cheaper (jetbrains) I really dont know who their target customer is, but then again, when I look around, I find tools like windev (PC-Soft) and Clarion (softvelocity) have a loyal following Except of course that embarcadero, is way more expensive Free-pascal i…
Their target customers are enterprises, the ones that pay for their tools.
Embarcadero prices aren't much different from DB2, Oracle, Visual Studio Ultimate.
Re: 24 years of Delphi and Delphi 10.3.1 is out Today
#46Anyone remember Borland C++ Builder? I migrated away from Delphi to C++ Builder as soon as it came out. It still used DCUs tho from memory. Thems were the days
Yes, for a while I thought that XAML with C++/CX made Visual C++ finally visual and catching up with C++ Builder, but was wrong.
Re: 24 years of Delphi and Delphi 10.3.1 is out Today
#47I remember you could always tell apps that were written in Delphi by the non-standard Ok/Cancel buttons with the icons.
Which was something that had to be explicitly enabled actually.
Re: 24 years of Delphi and Delphi 10.3.1 is out Today
#48Embarcadero tools and ides, are super expensive considering that most developer tools are either free (visual studio developer is free for individuals), or way cheaper (jetbrains) I really dont know who their target customer is, but then again, when I look around, I find tools like windev (PC-Soft) and Clarion (softvelocity) have a loyal following Except of course that embarcadero, is way more expensive Free-pascal i…
Looking at their price / feature matrix, they are running this platform like it's still 1999. The cheapest option is outrageous, and has no client/server DB support. So that means spending at least $3,600 (on sale!) for a usable development platform. Batshit crazy.
I suggest you to have a look visual studio pricing: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/pricing/
$5999 first year, $2569/yr renewal
Re: 24 years of Delphi and Delphi 10.3.1 is out Today
#49Delphi (and Borland C++ Builder) was a lot of fun back in the day. Linux ecosystem wasn't as mature, and people who insisted on on using the Microsoft toolchain had to deal with some insane bullshit like MFC, ATL/WTL, or bare Win32 API. In the meanwhile, people using Borland stuff were cranking out superior (and faster) apps out of components downloaded online, and using drag&drop. What would take weeks and a lot of…
And then Borland decided to change business forcing us to deal with MFC.
That whole Inprise adventure was pretty bad.
Re: 24 years of Delphi and Delphi 10.3.1 is out Today
#50The article mentions that the binary size of the listbox example is significantly different. Well, we used to say that Delphi 1 is totally wasteful as the default empty project compiled into 39kB .exe, obviously full of bloat ;) Edit: 39kB was nothing even in the 1995. But there was other more significant issue: if you went for all the database and line of bussines suport libraries you ended up with application that…
140KB+ for that simple app even in 1995 would've been an insane level of bloat, considering that the Windows 3.1 Program Manager (PROGMAN.EXE) also shown in the screenshots is only 112KB, and it certainly has much more functionality. The File Manager, WINFILE.EXE, is 167KB. As an experienced native Win32 programmer, the same thing in pure Win32 would be What's even more disturbing is the fact that an app which does t…
300 Kb was basically the fixed-size overhead for any VCL app.
But by late 90s, it was "good enough", and that's when Delphi was at peak popularity.