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TablePlus – Native GUI tool for relational databases (2018)

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Re: TablePlus – Native GUI tool for relational databases (2018)

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Ofcourse there is; multiple times have I gotten documents via-via that were identical to docs I received before and the lawyers billed hours for that copy/paste work making it sound, like your wife, that it is custom and a lot of work. It can be Ofcourse, but most, even complex company documents I have signed (and that's 100s) are indeed boilerplate and the lawyers are scammers trying to bill hours for 'writing' them…

But you're just proving my point: if 95% is boilerplate, 5% is not. Plus you have to consider the circumstances. The same exact document might have vastly different ramifications depending on what else is involved - the work, product, other parties, etc. I'm very happy for folks who haven't run into issues by not using a lawyer. But having had documents reviewed and realizing that things are pretty much never what th…

I did not mean that of the documents 5% of every document was custom: I mean that of the say 100 docs I signed, 5 were not just standard out of the drawer with only the parties changed.

Disclaimer here is that I am not from the US and as I understand legal things are different there: many things were you get sued over in the Netherlands where the contracts could be an issue in the US, are basically laughed out of court here in NL. Anecdotal; someone tried to sue us for damages because there was a misspelling in a contract with him. The judge told him literally to not waste his time as the intention was clear. Also indirect damages are not taken very seriously here (and should be nowhere imho, but I hear they are in the US).

So I only made my comment based on my experience in NL, DE, HK, ES and UK and there I mostly saw copy/paste work while still being billed hours for that non-effort.

Re: TablePlus – Native GUI tool for relational databases (2018)

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IANAL but I really don’t see anything problematic here, it’s all standard boilerplate digitally distributed software stuff. Maybe he thought the ownership clause was a little too broad? https://tableplus.io/blog/2018/01/license-agreement.html

> neither TablePlus nor any TablePlus’s provider makes any representation or warranty of any kind, express or implied: ... that the Application, its servers, the content, or e-mails sent from or on behalf of TablePlus are free of viruses, scripts, trojan horses, worms, malware, timebombs or other harmful components. Is that really standard boilerplate? I don't recall seeing a clause like that before.

I mean, again I'm not a lawyer and I don't spend time reading EULAs, but to me that seems like a pretty uninteresting hold-harmless agreement that happens to specify the harms from getting hacked and distributing malware, like what happened to Transmission and Piriform.

Re: TablePlus – Native GUI tool for relational databases (2018)

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But you're just proving my point: if 95% is boilerplate, 5% is not. Plus you have to consider the circumstances. The same exact document might have vastly different ramifications depending on what else is involved - the work, product, other parties, etc. I'm very happy for folks who haven't run into issues by not using a lawyer. But having had documents reviewed and realizing that things are pretty much never what th…

I did not mean that of the documents 5% of every document was custom: I mean that of the say 100 docs I signed, 5 were not just standard out of the drawer with only the parties changed. Disclaimer here is that I am not from the US and as I understand legal things are different there: many things were you get sued over in the Netherlands where the contracts could be an issue in the US, are basically laughed out of cou…

Ah, very good point. It would certainly be great if things were that straight forward in the US.

Re: TablePlus – Native GUI tool for relational databases (2018)

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I'm shocked your lawyers had an issue with a company stating they don't want to be held liable if they're somehow hacked and start sending out malware. Seems pretty standard to me.

So Equifax shouldn't be held liable for the leak of personal data?

Are we going to sit around here and pretend they were?

Re: TablePlus – Native GUI tool for relational databases (2018)

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In many ways I like TablePlus, but at least on MySQL, I'm not fond that it single-quotes all data types in the "Copy Rows As > SQL Import Statement", including decimals and integers. I don't want to introduce potential data type casting errors into my export. Sequel Pro, while less advanced in other ways, doesn't do this; it properly only quotes the data types that should be quoted.

Re: TablePlus – Native GUI tool for relational databases (2018)

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I own TP and I like it overall. I just can't stop using Sequel Pro, it's just so damn snappy and easy to use. I need to give TP another try but it was really hard to break my habit of using Sequel Pro.

SequelPro for Mac and HeidiSQL for Windows. Those two are really light weight and easy to use.

But for me the best id DataGrip. It's not light, but cross platform and get works done.

Re: TablePlus – Native GUI tool for relational databases (2018)

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I use SequelPro for Mac (and love it!). Has anyone used both and can explain whether it is worth switching?

It's worth switching. Autocomplete/autosuggest is faster, when conneting to a server they infer which credential is wrong. I guess the catch is the software isn't free -- you have to pay or access it through a paid bundle like SetApp. If you query a DB everyday though the price it's worth it. If you only need a a few queries now and again then maybe SequelPro is the better option.

Actually Table Plus is free to use with some limitations. You should check it out!
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