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Slack is Electron. Slack is installed on many laptops. Slack App just sucks and wastes real resources.
Genuine question - why do people install the Slack App? I haven't in ages, I just use the web-app and am very happy.
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Doesn't anyone who makes a webpage need to test it in different browsers?
This is a thing that's really specific to web-design, though. People writing desktop apps want it to "just work", which is why Electron is a godsend (in this regard).
Also electron doesn't 'just work'. A simple program being 300MB with a laggy sluggish interface is not 'just working'.
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> snappy enough to run > Electron is a new brainer Not everyone on earth is a dev/gamer/video-editor. For regular people, electron is a cancer that needs to be nipped in the bud. Remember, 91% of the desktop on earth is Windows (meaning regular USD 300 machines). And of them I'd wager less than 10% fit have machines where electron is snappy (1.2K Thinkpads). What the earth needs is a better cross platform native GUI…
For what it's worth I used VSCode as a ARM build on a Chromebook with crouton. It was fine. I think it cost me $150 used. > cancer that needs to be nipped in the bud. Come on with the hyperbole. Electron is effectively (nipped) as it is most usually just the shortest path to giving apps a persistent offline option outside of the browser sandbox. I don't know of _any_ electron app that isn't also a dedicated web app.…
QT is what i would suggest over electron
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> I always like to use VSCode as an example... Agreed, it's a great example of why Electron exists, but also a great example of an Electron app done well - I've used other Electron apps that have far fewer features, yet feel sluggish and/or are incredible memory hogs. > But it's not.snappy.enough. I also use VSCode on a daily basis (on Windows), and TBH I don't find it any less snappy than native IDEs such as Visual…
One of the standard replies I get when I complain about VSCode being sluggish is that it's not worse or even better than Visual Studio on Windows. That might be true, I don't use Visual Studio so I wouldn't know, but it's an argument that's completely unrelated to Electron. For me that's just whataboutism. I would rather compare VS code to a regular editor with syntax highlighting, autocomplete and a few bindings to…
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What are the specs on your computer? How old is it? HDD?
My work machine that I used as reference here (my personal machines are similar, and suffer from similar sluggishness): Intel Core i7-8700 @ 3.2GHz (12 threads, Coffee Lake) 64 GB 2666MHz DDR4 RAM (4x Kingston KHX2666C16/16G) SAMSUNG MZVLB512HAJQ 512GB NVMe PCIe SSD GPU is just the built-in UHD Graphics 630 Opening a new window takes presents a blank, black window that has more and more UI glitch in over a 2 second p…
The only time vs code got unbearable to use for me was on this iMac late 2013 with an HDD drive I got on Craigslist a month ago but once I upgraded to SSD it was like a whole new computer, even running VMs and Kubernetes, VScode runs real nice working on large scale enterprise apps.
But yeah your computer sounds strong enough to handle any IDE so specs not the problem.
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Of course they can. This is what OS engineers have spent decades thinking about and optimizing. And then stuff like Electron appears and circumvents all those optimizations. Which is the main reason I dislike it.
Sure, but with sandboxing and technologies such as Firefox Containers, containers in general (such as Docker), and VMs (together with a secure enclave such as utilized in Qubes) it can all be thrown in the trash bin. Its just a matter of time until that's the norm. iOS is already on top of doing sandboxing well.
If not, why are you appealing to iOS to help make your case?
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For what it's worth I used VSCode as a ARM build on a Chromebook with crouton. It was fine. I think it cost me $150 used. > cancer that needs to be nipped in the bud. Come on with the hyperbole. Electron is effectively (nipped) as it is most usually just the shortest path to giving apps a persistent offline option outside of the browser sandbox. I don't know of _any_ electron app that isn't also a dedicated web app.…
Why would you upvote me if you didn't agree with me? QT is what i would suggest over electron
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Then again, the Slack app segfaulted on launch for months because of a node.js incompatibility with newer glibc. So I guess what you've traded for is - Nobody bothers to be testing against multiple operating systems in 2019. - Everybody gets to wait for Slack to get around to it while the system webview gets the compatibility update almost immediately. Great for the authors, shit for the users. On the bright side, it…
Nice. What did you switch to? I'm watching that space so i can recommend alternatives everywhere I work. Must be F/OSS. Top of the list currently are Rocket.chat and Matrix.