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Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus

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My current pet idea is that the Electoral College ought to be replaced with the CEOs of the Fortune 500 companies. That way we could do away with the facade that presidential elections currently create.

Curious fact: in the City of London, companies vote in the election of the local council, with a number of votes which depends on the number of employees within the City.

Obligatory reminder that London != City of London

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Of all the places, why did NYC offer Amazon subsidies? NYC actually has too many good jobs for the amount of space... I am also proud of my cantankerous fellow New Yorkers who fought this.

The subsidies were very contingent on Amazon delivering all of their promised uplift. But I think people scoffed at the top-line best case subsidies.

I forget where, but I remember seeing someone dig into the details of the offer and Amazon was not actually getting that much better of a deal than any other NYC business.

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> We do not intend to re-open the HQ2 search at this time. We will proceed as planned in Northern Virginia and Nashville, and we will continue to hire and grow across our 17 corporate offices and tech hubs in the U.S. and Canada. So this whole HQ2 thing ended up being a grand waste of everybody's time.

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Google didn't need any dog and pony show or significant forms of corporate welfare (that we know of) to announce a doubling of their presence in New York. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/12/17/google-...

Exactly. The 25k number was just to make a splash and notice they aren't doing that again. Because there aren't really any other areas that could give them 25k skilled employees. They will scale up in Nashville which is expected since it is a growing area, and they will still be in NY due to the talent. The "HQ2" show was primarily to extract large concessions which almost worked. My initial reaction as a NY'er was "well that didn't go well" but now I think it was great that we did not fall for it.

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I would't feel too bad for Amazon. They are the ones that made it a big spectacle and dragged it out for far longer than necessary or wise.

I don't necessarily feel bad for Amazon - I guess I just hate how disappointing the result was. Transparency lost. They likely could have avoided it if they had just selected one of the dark horses like Indianapolis or Saint Louis.

> Transparency lost.

The process was anything but transparent. "Cities’ Offers for Amazon Base Are Secrets Even to Many City Leaders": https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/05/technology/amazon-headqua...

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Google didn't need any dog and pony show or significant forms of corporate welfare (that we know of) to announce a doubling of their presence in New York. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/12/17/google-...

Doubling their office there still pales in comparison to the headcount projected for LIC. 7K max vs. 25k targeted for Amazon. Amazon already has a presence in NYC.

I think that 7K is just employees: "employs more than...". That is a deliberate distinction from "workers". I wouldn't be surprised if the count passed 10K once you considered contractors. They're mostly in non-engineering roles: cafe staff, recruiters, marketing, physical security (did those get converted to employees like they were doing in Mountain View?), facilities, etc.

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As much as the anti-gentrification politicians would claim a small victory, this is a loss for NYC and the future development / resilience of its economic base. Cities will keep on losing this kind of battle until some form of government or policy arises to counter the power of corporations (which are de facto increasingly taking the role of governments). Under our current regulations and incentives, I'm actually gla…

Isn't this exactly the opposite? Amazon would have destroyed the general economy in NYC like they did in Seattle. This is the city ignoring the big corporation and listening to their people. NYC doesn't need Amazon. It needs to fix it's rail system.

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"70% of New Yorkers support our plans and investment, a number of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our presence" Sounds like a negotiating tactic, to encourage residents in support of the campus to put pressure on their representatives in government. The "politicians" are upset, because their constituents are upset. Amazon, attempting to turn the tables is an interesting tactic - sort o…

What negotiation tactic? They already withdrew their plan of building a HQ there.

It would be absolutely ridiculous and absurd if they decide to come back, just because the narrative between officials and constituents changed.

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